Where does the Pope get his authority?

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The authority of the Pope is not from scripture, but can be shown to be from another origin and authority.The College of Cardinals, with the Pope given authority at its head, is just the counterpart of the Pagan College of Pontiffs, with its "Pontifex Maximus," or "Sovereign Pontiff," which had existed in Rome from the earliest times, and which is known to have been framed on the model of the grand original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon.

The College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) came from the religion of the original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon, was then established in ancient Rome and the Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff") again established as the high priest of the pagan religion. This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion as it had been in Babylon.

One of the things history show about the ascendancy of the papacy is that the church of Rome promotes the pope as the "Pontifex Maximus" or, Supreme Pontiff. The title Pontifex Maximus is mentioned numerous times by the early church fathers (particularly by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Christian bishop. The early church fathers say that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom", the high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. The Pontifex Maximus was an imperial office, usually held by the Emperor himself, which made one the "chief priest" of the Roman "state cult."

In 63 B.C., Julius Caesar had himself elected Supreme Pontiff and became emperor of Rome and vested the office of Roman emperor with the priestly powers and functions of the Babylonian Pontiff (Babylon Mystery Religion, p. 80). Augustus kept the tradition of the combined offices, and the title Pontifex Maximus was used by the Roman Caesars as illustrated on a Roman coin depicting the image of Augustus Caesar (27 B.C.-14 A.D.) with his title "Pont. Max.," which is an abbreviation of Pontifex Maximus. It is well known that Domitian required himself to be addressed as dominus et deus [“Lord and God”]. (Hemer, The Letters to the Seven Churches of Asia in Their Local Setting, 85-86.) The Roman title "Pontifex Maximus" was rendered in Greek inscriptions and literature of the time as "ἀρχιερεύς". literally, "high priest or by a more literal translation and order of words as "ἀρχιερεὺς μέγιστος", literally, "greatest high priest".[

Thus, the Roman emperors, like the preceding Babylonian emperors, now served as priests of Babylonian paganism, and bore the title Pontifex Maximus. When Rome conquered the world, the sun worship of Mirthism and the Mystery Religions of ancient Babylon that had spread and developed in various nations, was merged into the religious system of Rome. The Roman emperors (including Constantine) continued to hold the office of Pontifex Maximus during this time. Constantine through he claimed to have been a Christian remained the pagan high priest the Supreme Pontiff, paid homage to the sun god on the official coinage and sought the support of the pagan masses and aristocracy of Rome. This signified a real claim to control the church as well as the state, and Constantine chaired the critical Church Council of Nicaea in 325. It was not until the Empire split in two, with the Western Empire going to Emperor Gratian in 360 AD, that he was persuaded to give up the position of the pagan high priest and return it to the bishop of Rome who was given the title Pontifex Maximus. Thus the title Pontifex Maximus can be traced in an unbroken line all the way to Babylon and its system of worship.

The Pope now pretends to have authority or believers and in the Church as the successor of Peter, to whom it is alleged that Christ exclusively committed the keys of the kingdom of heaven. But here is the important fact that, till the Pope was invested with the title, which for a thousand years had had attached to it the power of the keys of Janus and Cybele, no such claim to pre-eminence, or anything approaching to it, was ever publicly made on his part, on the ground of his being the possessor of the keys bestowed on Peter.

It was only in the second century before the Christian era that the worship of Cybele, under that name, was introduced into Rome; but the same goddess, under the name of Cardea, with the "power of the key," was worshipped in Rome, along with Janus, ages before in ancient times. For the first three centuries, the Roman Catholic claim for authority was founded simply on the dignity of their see, as being that of the imperial city, the capital of the Roman world. When, however, the seat of empire was removed to the East, and Constantinople threatened to eclipse Rome, some new ground for maintaining the dignity of the Bishop of Rome had to be found. That new ground was found, when, about 378, the Pope fell heir to the keys that were the symbols of two well-known Pagan divinities at Rome. Janus bore a key, and Cybele bore a key; and these are the two keys that the Pope emblazons on his arms as the ensigns of his spiritual authority.

How the Pope came to be regarded as wielding the power of these keys took some time but that he did, in the popular view of church tradition, become entitled to that power at the period is certain. Now, when he had come, in the estimation of the Pagans, to occupy the place of the representatives of Janus and Cybele, and therefore to be entitled to bear their keys, the Pope saw that if he could only get it believed among the Christians that Peter alone had the power of the keys, and that he was Peter's successor, then the sight of these keys would keep up the delusion, and thus, though the temporal dignity of Rome as a city should decay, his own dignity as the Bishop of Rome would be more firmly established than ever. On this policy it is evident he acted. Some time was allowed to pass away, and then, when the secret working of the Mystery of iniquity had prepared the way for it, for the first time did the Pope publicly assert his pre-eminence, as founded on the keys given to Peter. About 378 was he raised to the position which gave him, in Pagan estimation, the power of the keys referred to. In 432, and not before, did he publicly lay claim to the possession of Peter's keys.

Now one interesting fact to note was that the Pontifex Maximus or Supreme Pontiff of the ancient pagan sun worship, bore the Chaldean title peter or 'interpreter'. the interpreter of the mysteries. So we see the opportunity to "Christlanize" the office of Pontifex Maximus that the bishop of Rome now held, by associating the "Peter" or "Grand Interpreter of Rome", with Peter the apostle. But this was not without much maneuvering as to do so, it was necessary to teach that Peter had been in Rome. Thus the stories about Peter being the first bishop of Rome, unknown and unheard of in the early church and earlier times, began to surface and be voiced.

The keys that the Pope bore were the keys of a "Peter" well known to the Pagans initiated in the Chaldean Mysteries. That Peter the apostle was ever Bishop of Rome has been proved again and again to be a falsehood and nothing but fable.

However..it can be shown to be by no means doubtful that before the Christian era, and downwards, there was a "Peter" at Rome, who occupied the highest place in the Pagan priesthood. The priest who explained the Mysteries to the initiated was sometimes called by a Greek term, the Hierophant; but in primitive Chaldee, the real language of the Mysteries, his title, as pronounced without the points, was "Peter"--i.e., "the interpreter." As the revealer of that which was hidden, nothing was more natural than that, while opening up the esoteric doctrine of the Mysteries, he should be decorated with the keys of the two divinities whose mysteries he unfolded.

Thus we may see how the keys of Janus and Cybele would come to be known as the keys of Peter, the "interpreter" of the pagan Mysteries, and we see the real origin of the authority of the Pope, and it wasn't from scripture.
 
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Now the Catholic church claims that the Pope as the successor of Peter get their authority from the seat of authority which Jesus gave to Peter through presenting him with the keys to the kingdom. If this was so, then why didn't the bishop of Rome declare it from the beginning. Because it never existed, the false idea that Peter came to Rome and passed on authority to the bishop of Rome was not brought up till much later when they needed cover for the exaltation of the bishop of Rome over the other bishops. But by uniting the pagan keys with a name they were familiar with, then it makes perfect sense, they could get the pagans to support it and then only had to feed the story to Christians to build up the bishop of Rome. But they had to use the name of Peter as cover to accomplish this, and they did this with full knowledge of the lie they were perpetuating. According to Roman Catholicism, these keys represent all authority in heaven and in Earth, and as the "rightful possessor" through the passing of those keys, has all authority.

Well lets look at a description of who Janus was. Janus was the Roman god of gateways and beginnings, often depicted as having two faces looking in opposite directions. The month of January is named for him. His two faces (originally, one was always bearded, one clean-shaven; later both bearded) originally represented the sun and the moon. He was usually depicted with a key and about 378, the Pope fell heir to the keys that were the symbols of two well-known Pagan divinities at Rome. Janus bore a key, and Cybele bore a key; and these are the two keys that the Pope emblazons on his arms as the ensigns of his spiritual authority. So it was at this time that began the belief about the bishop of Rome holding the power of the keys, thus making him Pontiff. What was this power of the keys? It was these two gods (Janus and Cybele) that had the power of heaven and earth.

The ancient pagan Roman priesthood (before the birth of Jesus Christ) had a sovereign pontiff who held the keys. Cybele was the goddess of nature, fertility, and of fortifications, who was worshipped in Rome as the Great Mother of the Gods. She bore a key like Janus, which opened the gates of the invisible world. The goddess Cybele was also worshipped as Cardea, and the college of Cardinals was named for her. In Greek mythology Cybele holds the key to Earth, shutting her up in winter and opening her again in the spring. Similarly, Janus opens the door of the sky and releases the dawn. The term Cardinal is derived from Cardo, a hinge. Janus, whose key the Pope bears, was the 'god of doors and hinges'. It was only in the second century before the Christian era that the worship of Cybele under that name, was introduced to Rome; but the same goddess, under the name of Cardea, with the power of the key, was worshipped in Rome, along with Janus, ages before.

Here is a article that is even clearer on the issue...

"..The reader will now be prepared to understand how it is that the Pope's Grand Council of State, which assists him in the government of the Church, comes to be called the College of Cardinals. The term Cardinal is derived from Cardo, a hinge. Janus, * whose key the Pope bears, was the god of doors and hinges, and was called Patulcius, and Culsius "the opener and the shutter." * This had a blasphemous meaning, for he was worshipped at Rome as the grand mediator. Whatever important business was in hand, whatever deity was to be invoked, an invocation first of all must be addressed to Janus, who was recognised as the "God of gods," * in whose mysterious divinity the characters of father and son were combined, * and without that no prayer could be heard--the "door of heaven" could not be opened. * It was this same god whose worship prevailed so exceedingly in Asia Minor at the time when our Lord sent, by his servant John, the seven Apocalyptic message to the churches established in that region. And, therefore, in one of these messages we find Him tacitly rebuking the profane ascription of His own peculiar dignity to that divinity, and asserting His exclusive claim to the prerogative usually attributed to His rival. Thus, Rev. iii.7: "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth." Now, to this Janus, as Mediator, worshipped in Asia Minor, and equally, from very early times, in Rome, belonged the government of the world; and, "all power in heaven, in earth, and the sea," according to Pagan ideas, was vested in him. * In this character he was said to have "jus vertendi cardinis"--the "power of turning the hinge"--of opening the doors of heaven, or of opening or shutting the gates of peace or war upon earth. The Pope, therefore, when he set up as the High-priest of Janus, assumed also the "jus vertendi cardinis," "the power of turning the hinge,"--of opening and shutting in the blasphemous Pagan sense. Slowly and cautiously at first was this power asserted; but the foundation being laid, steadily, century after century, was the grand superstructure of priestly power erected upon it. The Pagans, who saw what strides, under Papal directions, Christianity, as professed in Rome, was making towards Paganism, were more than content to recognise the Pope as possessing this power; they gladly encouraged him to rise, step by step, to the full height of the blasphemous pretensions befitting the representative of Janus..."
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/2bab029.htm


"The very apostolic designation, Peter, is from the Mysteries. The hierophant or supreme pontiff bore the Chaldean title peter, or interpreter. The names Phtah, Pethr, the residence of Balaam, Patara, and Patras, the names of oracles-cities, pateres or pateras and, perhaps, Buddha, all come from the same root ... No apostle Peter was ever at Rome; but the Pope, seizing the scepter of the Pontifex Maximus, the keys of Janus and Kubelé, and adorning his Christian head with the cap of the Magna Mater, copied from that of the tiara of Brahmâtma, the Supreme Pontiff of the Initiates of old India, became the successor of the Pagan high priest, the real Peter-Roma, or Petroma (the tiara of the Pope is also a perfect copy of that of the Dalai-Lama of Thibet)" (Isis Unveiled, Blavatsky, p. 30). http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2149480/pg1

Furthermore, The Catholic Encyclopedia confirms that the term Cardinal is derived from the Latin word for hinge as does a book sponsored by the Pontifical Administration:

It became the usual designation of every priest belonging to a central or episcopal church, an ecclesiastical cardo (Lat. for hinge)...(SÄGMÜLLER. J.B. Transcribed by WG Kofron. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume III. Copyright © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company. Online Edition Copyright © 2003 by Kevin Knight. Nihil Obstat, November 1, 1908. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York).... later called cardinals (hinges of the organization) (Lopes A. The Popes: The lives of the pontiffs through 2000 years of history. Futura Edizoni, Roma, 1997, pp. 1,2).
http://www.cogwriter.com/peterkeys.htm

The fact is that Peter never went to Rome, never wore a crown, and never sat on a throne. In the book Behind the Purple Curtain , by Montano, pages 26-28, we read of another deception concerning Peter:

"Eminent archeologists and historians are inclined to believe that the bronze statue of St. Peter in Rome, standing on a pedestal about four feet high near the Main Altar close by one of the four massive pillars supporting the dome, was originally the statue of Jupiter Capitolinus. It is said that Pope Leo the Great transformed it into the traditional likeness of Saint Peter." Thus, people are really paying homage to a pagan god, not the Apostle Peter. The Catholic Church has a interesting explanation on this, that the Pope 'melted the statue of Jupicter' and remade it as 'St Peter'.. Hmm..
 
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MOST ADVENTISTS (on this forum) DO NOT TAKE THE TROUBLE TO TELL FROM THE BIBLE, WHAT THOSE "KEYS" ACTUALLY ARE. Seems its much more preferable for them to just knock some Pope around a bit and then fold their arms in satisfaction like they did something for the Lord.:liturgy:
 
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MOST ADVENTISTS (on this forum) DO NOT TAKE THE TROUBLE TO TELL FROM THE BIBLE, WHAT THOSE "KEYS" ACTUALLY ARE. Seems its much more preferable for them to just knock some Pope around a bit and then fold their arms in satisfaction like they did something for the Lord.:liturgy:

Well Catholics will quote Matthew 16:19

Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

But they forget who the true holder of the keys and the rock are...

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Many think that it was Peter that Christ was refering to but they need to read their Bibles and understand who was and is the Rock.

Ps 18:31 For who [is] God save the LORD (Jehovah)? or who [is] a rock save our God?


Luke 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
Luke 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mt 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Det 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.(The Son of God is the Creator that “formed thee.”

1Sam 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD (Jehovah): for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

2Sam 22:2 And he said, The LORD (Jehovah) is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;

Det 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Note: Jesus is the Rock, His work is perfect, for all His ways are Judgment, A God of truth (He is the truth; John 14:6), Jesus is with out iniquity (Hebrews 4:15), just and right is He.

1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
 
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Well Catholics will quote Matthew 16:19

Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

But they forget who the true holder of the keys and the rock are...

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
OK, but this tells us nothing regard to exactly what those "keys" are. Where does the Bible tell us EXACTLY what these "keys" are? And how many,exactly there are there for the Bible always uses the word "key IN THE PLURAL, AS IN KEYS. We need know what on earth we are accusing others of before we go all wild in accusing others of doing it.
 
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In other words red if you dont even know what those keys are, how can you say for certain someone else doesnt have them?

Hmmm, how may different masks do we have to wear to convince others we have the real truth?

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Key #1 - "When Jesus came into the coast of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, saying Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, ... ... ... ... John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
He saith unto them, But whom say, ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said unto him, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hat not revealed ... unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee, (I too confess to you) That thou art Peter, and upon this rock (upon this confession that you have made of me) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

We see by this complete scripture and the right understanding of what is being said here that the first Key is the confession that all believers make upon giving themselves to God thru His Son.

Key #2 & 3 - "I .. he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Jesus is in posession of the keys of hell and of death, so how could Peter have them if they are in Jesus's posession?

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In the moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal ... put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have but on incorruption, and this mortal shal have but on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Oh, death, where ... thy sting? O grave, where ... thy victory?
The sting of death ... sin; and the strength of sin ... the law.
But thanks ... to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

And how do we gain that victory, "For by grace are ye saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves: ... ... the gift of God:"

These are the final keys "grace" and "faith"

When Jesus was speaking to Peter he was speaking to the disciples as well when he spoke of the keys. For the keys were intertwined and connected as the keys is a highrise apartment complex. All the keys needed to be in place and used. Confession, belief, faith, obedience and grace. For by these, through Christ we over come sin and death and obtain everlasting life. Amen.
 
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Key #1 - "When Jesus came into the coast of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, saying Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, ... ... ... ... John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
He saith unto them, But whom say, ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said unto him, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hat not revealed ... unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee, (I too confess to you) That thou art Peter, and upon this rock (upon this confession that you have made of me) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

We see by this complete scripture and the right understanding of what is being said here that the first Key is the confession that all believers make upon giving themselves to God thru His Son.

Key #2 & 3 - "I .. he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Jesus is in posession of the keys of hell and of death, so how could Peter have them if they are in Jesus's posession?

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In the moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal ... put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have but on incorruption, and this mortal shal have but on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Oh, death, where ... thy sting? O grave, where ... thy victory?
The sting of death ... sin; and the strength of sin ... the law.
But thanks ... to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

And how do we gain that victory, "For by grace are ye saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves: ... ... the gift of God:"

These are the final keys "grace" and "faith"

When Jesus was speaking to Peter he was speaking to the disciples as well when he spoke of the keys. For the keys were intertwined and connected as the keys is a highrise apartment complex. All the keys needed to be in place and used. Confession, belief, faith, obedience and grace. For by these, through Christ we over come sin and death and obtain everlasting life. Amen.
I think Christ makes clear it is His power over eternal death.... and eternal life..
 
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I think Christ makes clear it is His power over eternal death.... and eternal life..
Where is your reference for this statement? Mat 16:19 is clear in using "keys" as in the plural sense when it talks about "the keys of the kingdom."
 
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Now the Catholic church claims that the Pope as the successor of Peter get their authority from the seat of authority which Jesus gave to Peter through presenting him with the keys to the kingdom. If this was so, then why didn't the bishop of Rome declare it from the beginning. Because it never existed, the false idea that Peter came to Rome and passed on authority to the bishop of Rome was not brought up till much later when they needed cover for the exaltation of the bishop of Rome over the other bishops..
This whole "lets pick on the Catholics" thing you are doing on the forums here can turn sour pretty quick. Certainly, in this example, this is pretty poor apologetics. We ourselves have truths that we did not discover until years after our denomination came into being. Why didn't we discover/declare those right away just like you are demanding the Bishop of Rome should have done?

You obviously dont even understand official Catholic doctrine as evidenced by no reference for this statement about their beliefs. if you would atleast know what they officially teach on this, you could critique it much better.
 
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I agree that the best way to expose error is to present the truth and the truth is that there is salvation for us but only through the merits of Jesus Christ. Any honest soul who is seeking for light will recognize the voice of the true Shepherd in hearing that the only way he can gain the approval of God is through the merits of His Redeemer. This message he will receive, believe and act upon by daily appropriating to himself the merits of His Saviour that he may become a vessel fit for His Master's use.

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Key #1 - "When Jesus came into the coast of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, saying Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, ... ... ... ... John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
He saith unto them, But whom say, ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said unto him, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hat not revealed ... unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

And I say also unto thee, (I too confess to you) That thou art Peter, and upon this rock (upon this confession that you have made of me) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

We see by this complete scripture and the right understanding of what is being said here that the first Key is the confession that all believers make upon giving themselves to God thru His Son.

Key #2 & 3 - "I .. he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Jesus is in posession of the keys of hell and of death, so how could Peter have them if they are in Jesus's posession?

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In the moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal ... put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have but on incorruption, and this mortal shal have but on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Oh, death, where ... thy sting? O grave, where ... thy victory?
The sting of death ... sin; and the strength of sin ... the law.
But thanks ... to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."


And how do we gain that victory, "For by grace are ye saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves: ... ... the gift of God:"

These are the final keys "grace" and "faith"

When Jesus was speaking to Peter he was speaking to the disciples as well when he spoke of the keys. For the keys were intertwined and connected as the keys is a highrise apartment complex. All the keys needed to be in place and used. Confession, belief, faith, obedience and grace. For by these, through Christ we over come sin and death and obtain everlasting life. Amen.
Very good answer..
 
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MOST ADVENTISTS (on this forum) DO NOT TAKE THE TROUBLE TO TELL FROM THE BIBLE, WHAT THOSE "KEYS" ACTUALLY ARE. Seems its much more preferable for them to just knock some Pope around a bit and then fold their arms in satisfaction like they did something for the Lord.:liturgy:


Obviously you have never seen the Vatican flag...

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Those two keys represent the keys of power on earth as well as in heaven... what a wonderful prophetic manifestation. This proves that Satan has used the Vatican to try and usurp authority from God, just as he has planned since the beginning.
 
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