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Featured WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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  1. JLB777

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    Where did Jesus or His Apostles Command the Church to observe the Sabbath?


    Lease list the scriptures where this command is?


    Where are the scriptures that identify for us what specifically constitutes sin cornering the Sabbath today, why won’t you provide any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.



    If not please stop trolling me with non answers.




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  2. JLB777

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    I’m putting up a challenge for anyone to provide scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles specifically commanded the Church to keep the Sabbath as a holy day, as well as how to do it.
     
  3. JLB777

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    It’s lawful to do good on Sunday.


    What the difference.



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  4. Dkh587

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    In other words, you can’t prove that the Messiah & Apostles taught that it was no longer sinful to not keep the Sabbath holy. It’s probably best to not engage anymore. You seem content on promoting lawlessness and disobedience to God’s commands.
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    No need to be unkind brother :). It is you who are the one not addressing any of the questions in the OP here as well as any questions in the the posts sent to you not me. As posted more then once now brother I said I would be happy to continue answering your questions when you start answering mine and responding to the posts I have provided to you. I have answered your first questions here and asked you questions in relation to the OP here return that you ignore.

    You have not answered a single question in the OP or any questions in the return post asked of you. A discussion goes two ways. It seems you are not interested in having a discussion here. Let me know when you wish you have a discussion and share God's WORD until then ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments ot God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. I know who I believe how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?

    You are free to do as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48; ROMANS 14:10. Sadly at this time it will be too late for many that have had th4e chance to hear the word of God and choose instead to turn away from it *MATTHEW 7:22-23.

    God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)
     
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  6. LoveGodsWord

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    No problem see below (see also posts # 1830; posts # 1831 already posted) :)

    HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

    ............

    Should you also be putting up a challange for anyone to provide scripture where JESUS says we should not have other Gods; make idols and worship them; use God's name in vain?

    If there is no scripture from JESUS are you also arguing that we are free now to have other God's; use God's name in vain? make idols and worship them? You do not believe this do you brother?

    Why do you think JESUS has to re-issue God's 10 commandments which in the OLD and NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11 when he had already given them to God's people who already had them for 4000 years?

    Yet we read in the scriptures from the very Words of JESUS...

    MATTHEW 5:17-22 [17], THIINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL. [18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW TILL ALL BE FULFILLED [19], WHOSEVER SHALL BREAK ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

    Let's continue with the Apostles...

    WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
    (the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

    Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..


    1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
    2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
    3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
    4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
    5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
    6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
    7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
    8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

    Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

    1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
    2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
    3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
    4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Romans 3:31
    5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
    6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Hebrews 8:7-11
    7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2 Timothy 3:16
    AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
    8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Ephesians 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
    9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Romans 7:12)
    10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; 7:7)
    11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Romans 6:23)
    12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Romans 2:23)
    13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Romans 3:19)
    14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Romans 3:31)
    15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Romans 6:1-7)
    16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Romans 6:15)
    17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
    18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Galatians 3:24)
    19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Romans 6:22)
    20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Romans 2:4-13)
    21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
    22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    John affirms the 10 commandments……

    1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
    2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
    3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
    4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
    5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
    6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
    7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
    8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
    9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
    10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
    11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
    12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Revelation 14:12; 22:14)

    James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

    1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
    2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
    3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
    4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
    5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

    Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

    1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Peter 1:2)
    2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Peter 1:5)
    3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Peter 1:13-16)
    4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Peter 2:21-22)
    5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Peter 4:1-3)
    6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
    7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4)
    8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Peter 2:6)
    9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Peter 2:20-22)
    10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

    What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

    1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
    2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
    3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
    4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
    5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
    6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
    7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20)
    8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22)
    9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

    Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear and there is a lot of it.

    God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)
     
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  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Well here we are again. 93+ pages and seems no one is still able to supply a single scripture to answer a single question from the OP here.....

    The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

    1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

    2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

    3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

    4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

    5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

    6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

    7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

    8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

    9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

    10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

    11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

    12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

    13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

    14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

    15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

    16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

    17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

    18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

    19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

    21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

    22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

    23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

    25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

    27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

    ...................

    Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

    God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

    MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
    [3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
    [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
    [5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
    [6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
    [7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
    [8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
    [9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

    Look forward to your thoughts... :)
     
  8. ace of hearts

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    So tell us something LGW, if we say we love God and not many other gods, why would you even suggest this? Do you say evil things about those you love? Do you misuse their name? I just don't get your logic. I do understand your effort to use this in order to say we keep the law or some of it. Just isn't true. The true Christian is n't ruled from the outside in. We're ruled from the inside out. I've bee a born again Christian for years, read the complete Bible a few times word for word meaning every word and still have no desire to keep the law. In fact the preaching of the law only kept me confused for years. I didn't understand why. I never figured out why things didn't line up. The Holy Spirit finally got through to me and it still took me years to be free. Social pressure is incredible.
    Jesus didn't. Jesus gave His own commandments. Read the Gospel of John.
    That's exactly what Jesus did and testified to in LK 24:44.
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    CAN WE LOVE WHEN OUR HEART IS BROKEN?

    MATTHEW 12:34-35 [34], O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

    JEREMIAH 13:23 [23], Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

    JEREMIAH 17:9-10 [9], The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? [10], I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    MATTHEW 15:19-20 [19], For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: [20], These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man.

    JOHN 5:42 But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you.

    ...........

    We break God's Commandments [SIN] because we do not LOVE.

    Yep looks like we have a broken heart that needs fixing as there is no LOVE in us without Jesus.

    RIGHTOUESNESS FROM THE INSIDE OUT

    JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

    We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

    God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
     
  10. JLB777

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    Not one single sentence or scripture where Jesus commands the Church to observe the Sabbath or how it’s to be kept.


    Ignoring the fact that there isn’t one single scripture in all the post’s you have made that Jesus commands the Church to observe the Sabbath in a specific way.


    Not one.



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  11. LoveGodsWord

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    Well that has no truth in it brother. You have to deny a lot of Scripture to teach that. I guess this is your way of saying that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11 and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day because if you had scripture you would have provided it.

    Yet here we have JESUS and all the APOSTLES keeping God's 4th commandment and teaching others to do so along with all the 10 Commandments (See posts # 1829; posts # 1830; posts # 1831)

    If there is no direct scripture from JESUS not have other Gods; make idols and worship them; use God's name in vain, are you arguing that we are free now to have other God's; use God's name in vain? make idols and worship them because JESUS did not mention when the rest of God's WORD in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT has? Or are you arguing that JESUS is against the Apostles and he did not mean what he said in MATTHEW 5:17-22?

    MATTHEW 5:17-22 [17], THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL. [18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW TILL ALL BE FULFILLED [19], WHOSEVER SHALL BREAK ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

    Why would JESUS teach us how to keep the SABBATH if he did not want us to keep it *MATTHEW 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; MARK 3:1-5; LUKE 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; JOHN 7:22-23; 9:14; MARK 1:21; MARK 6:2; LUKE 4:16; 31; LUKE 14:1; 23:56?

    Why did JESUS teach us the he is LORD of the SABBATH and that he made the SABBATH for mankind *MARK 2:27-28?

    Why do you think JESUS has to re-issue God's 10 commandments which in the OLD and NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11 when he had already given them to God's people who already had them for 4000 years?

    Did you have any scriptures to share with us showing that God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep sunday as a Holy day? If you do not have any scripture are you not worried when God's WORD teaches us that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand before God guilty of sin *ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11?

    Now let's summarise all this in the words of Paul the Apostle...

    HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

    Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness :)
     
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  12. Natsumi Lam

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    I say listen to the Holy Spirit...He will sort the dates and times and fellowship.
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello Natsumi Lam, nice to see you again. God's Spirit works through God's WORD not outside of it because God's Spirit is the Spirit of the Word of God *JOHN 6:63 that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    God bless.
     
  14. Natsumi Lam

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    The Holy Spirit is not confined to Gods Word. He is the Helper. He fills in gaps in the Word and He is the living breathing Word. He expounds upon the Word but never contradicts; nevertheless, He is not confined to only the Words in the bible.
     
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    Where does it say that God's Spirit is not confined to God's WORD when it is the Spirit of the WORD of God *JOHN 6:63? If God tells us it is sin to commit murder and not to murder and we go out and murder, someone are you following God's Spirit by doing so?
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    God's WORD. If you show you the scriptures will you believe them?

    Nope. gentile believers are not obligated to circumcision. No christian JEW or Gentile are free to sin and break any one of God's 10 commandments. God's WORD in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS do not teach lawlessness.

    Once again you supply your own words over God's WORD. My words are not my own words but God's WORD. Your argument is with God not me. I know who I believe and follow *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29.

    You have only been supplied with NEW TESTAMENT scripture. It is God's WORD not mine.
    It is JESUS that says in the NEW COVENANT all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

    What are you talking about? According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT, if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    It is JESUS that says in the NEW COVENANT all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

    Now where is the scripture in the NEW COVENANT that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do many not believe God’s WORD in order to follow their traditions? Something to think about.

    God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    You have been given God's WORD. God's WORD not my words but God's WORD. In response you provide your own words. These are not God's WORD but your own words. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow? I know who I believe and follow how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    Well here we are again. 94+ pages and seems no one is still able to supply a single scripture to answer a single question from the OP here.....

    The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

    1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

    2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

    3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

    4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

    5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

    6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

    7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

    8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

    9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

    10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

    11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

    12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

    13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

    14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

    15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

    16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

    17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

    18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

    19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

    21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

    22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

    23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

    25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

    27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

    ...................

    Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

    God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

    MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
    [3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
    [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
    [5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
    [6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
    [7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
    [8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
    [9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

    Look forward to your thoughts... :)
     
  19. Natsumi Lam

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    Your analogy missed my statement which says the Holy Spirit never contradicts His Word. Please read my entire statement.

    Where does it say the God of the Universe is confined to the pages and cant do or say...miracles or words of knowledge or wisdom outside of it?
     
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  20. LoveGodsWord

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    You were talking about God's 4th commandment which God has revealed to mankind as one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin when broken in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT scriptures saying..
    God has already revealed this to mankind through His WORD. As I said earlier where does it say that God's Spirit is not confined to God's WORD when it is the Spirit of the WORD of God *JOHN 6:63? If God has revealed to us his will through His Word does he change his mind through His Spirit? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe God or man? I know who I BELIEVE how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?

    God bless
     
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