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Featured WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Well that is not true. I have posted directly referencing it and posted about it here click me.
    Sorry brother your post has no truth in it.
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Now after 61 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

    The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

    1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

    2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

    3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

    4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

    5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

    6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

    7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

    8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

    9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

    10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

    11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

    12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

    13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

    14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

    15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

    16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

    17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

    18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

    19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

    21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

    22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

    23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

    25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

    27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

    ...................

    Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

    God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

    MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
    [3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
    [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
    [5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
    [6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
    [7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
    [8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
    [9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

    Look forward to your thoughts...
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Not at all brother. As posted earlier your interpretation of LUKE 24:44 is in error. It is not suggesting God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) is abolished. God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when it is broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. You mix up God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT with the SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC BOOK *EXODUS 24:7 of the law that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

    The scripture in Luke 24:44 is not the problem. It is your interpretation of it that is in error here. It is not saying God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) are abolished brother. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. It is saying that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    The Book of the law of MOSES *EXODUS 24:7 is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) *EXODUS 20:1-17 that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

    Here let's look at some examples again through the scriptures showing the meaning of

    LUKE 24:44. [44], And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    Why do you think I always say to you if you do not understand what the shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD pointed to?

    What do you think the animal sacrifices pointed to and the earlthy Sanctuary and levitical priesthood pointed to? In regards to LUKE 24:44 you do know the Mosaic shadow laws, the prophets and Psalms all pointed to JESUS right as the coming Messiah e.g. *DANIEL 9:24-27; PSALMS 40; HEBREWS 10; PSALMS 22 etc etc...

    Some (not exhaustive) more OLD testament scriptures of JESUS fulfilled in the new testament

    [1] Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15; Matthew 1:20; Galatians 4:4
    [2] Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-6
    [3] Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:22-23; Luke 1:26-31
    [4] Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Romans 9:5
    [5] Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19; Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34
    [6] Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2
    [7] Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:33; Hebrews 7:14
    [8] Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13; Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33; Romans 1:3
    [9] Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7; Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33; Hebrews 1:8-12
    [10] Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23
    [11] Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15
    [12] A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18
    13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6
    [14] Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8; Isaiah 53:3; John 1:11; John 7:5
    [15] Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15; Acts 3:20-22
    [16] Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6; Matthew 11:13-14
    [17] Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7; Matthew 3:16-17
    [18] Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1; Matthew 2:23
    [19] Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2; Matthew 4:13-16
    [20] Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4; Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:10-15; 34-35
    [21] Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-; Luke 4:18-19
    [22] Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:5-6
    [23] Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6; Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 27:37; Mark 11:7-11
    [24] Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2; Matthew 21:16
    [25] Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16
    [26] Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field. Zechariah 11:12-13; Matthew 27:9-10
    [27] Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11; Mark 14:57-58
    [28] Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7; Mark 15:4-5
    [29] Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 26:67
    [30] Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19; Psalm 69:4; John 15:24-25
    [31] Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38; Mark 15:27-28
    [32] Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34; John 19:28-30
    [33] Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16; Zechariah 12:10; John 20:25-7
    [34] Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8; Luke 23:35
    [35] Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34; Matthew 27:35-36
    [36] Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46; Psalm 34:20; John 19:33-36
    [37] Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46
    [38] Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
    [39] Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34
    [40] Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60
    [41] Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10; Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7; Acts 2:22-32
    [42] Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51
    43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18; Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19; Matthew 22:44
    [44] Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8 (source)

    Brother the above are only some of many more. We haven't even started talking about CIRCUMCISION and some of the other SHADOW laws associated with the annual feast days, new moons and special ceremonial sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week (not God's 4th commandment) from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

    Hope this helps to explain your question in relation to Luke 24:44

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
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  4. LoveGodsWord

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    Not at all brother God's WORD only agrees with the scriptures provided to you and only sent in love as a help to you. As shown earlier it is your interpretation of HEBREWS 7:12 and ROMANS 7:6 that is in error. Let's see why from God's WORD showing the context you disregard in your interpretation of the scripture...

    HEBREWS 7 CHANGE OF WHAT LAW?

    Your trying to argue that the change in the law in HEBREWS 7:12 is in reference to the 10 Commandments because you thought that the OLD COVENANT is only the 10 commandments. The scripture posted above show that the OLD COVENANT include both the 10 commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:8, which contained all the laws for remission of sin, ceremonial ordinances for the Levitical priest hood. So what is the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 7 and what laws is it talking about? Is HEBREWS 7 talking about the 10 commandments or the MOSAIC BOOK of the laws for remission of sins *DEUTERONOMY 29:21?

    Let's look at the scriptures...

    HEBREWS 7:1-28
    [1], For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
    [2], To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
    [3], Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
    [4], Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
    [5], And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

    NOTE: In the earthly Sanctuary only those from the tribe of Levi could be Priests. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah also note that the context of the chapter now is the Priesthood and the king and Priest in the days of Abraham named Melchisedec.

    [6], But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
    [7], And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
    [8], And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
    [9], And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
    [10], For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
    [11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

    NOTE: Topic is on the Levitical Priesthood the law we are talking about are the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23. The Priesthood was to be only for the tribe of Levi under the OLD COVENANT.

    [12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
    [13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
    [14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
    [15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,

    NOTE: Jesus from the tribe of Judah is now our great high Priest from the order of Melchisedec. No more animal sacrifices.

    [16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
    [17], For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
    [18], For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
    [19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.
    [20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
    [21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
    [22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
    [23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
    [24], But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
    [25], Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
    [26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
    [27], Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
    [28], For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

    NOTE: v28 does the 10 commandments make men high Priests or does the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23?

    .............

    CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 7:12 in relation to the change of laws is talking about the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW for a change in the laws of the Priesthood not the 10 commandments and the laws that accompany it from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 24:7; Hebrews 7:28. Not the 10 commandments. Can you see your mistake here? Is there anything you are specifically referring to in Galatians you wish to discuss?

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Can you see your error here brother? HEBREWS 7:12 is not in refernece to God' ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) being abolished but the MOSAIC laws for the LEVITICAL Priesthood *HEBREWS 7:28.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  5. Kermos

    Kermos God is the Potter, and we are the clay.

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    Your words have context, and your context is that Jesus does not satisfy the law. Jesus' words are Life, but your words are not even when you try to apply scripture your words are not. I have demonstrated where your words are interspersed by some version of a bible that either you put your words in or your version of a bible has wrong words that support your imagination.

    My witness is true because I say Jesus' words are true:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." said Jesus (Matthew 5:17).

    "It is finished!" said Jesus (John 19:30 while Lord Jesus was on the cross).

    You bear false witness against Jesus every time you write implicitly or explicitly in your words that Jesus does not satisfy the law because of the need to carry out the Ten Commandments thus you either (1) not acknowledging (2) ignoring (3) despising (4) denying (5) not hearing and/or (6) not seeing the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:17.

    It sure looks like you are saying that your questions in the original post are God's Word. To be absolutely clear, your words are not God's Word. God said some terrifying things about a person who adds to or subtracts from God's Word!

    Let me explain further where you write implicitly and explicitly that Jesus does not satisfy the law.

    Throughout your original post in your many words, you say that Jesus does not satisfy the law. Your words carry the implication. Your words express hyperbole. Your words of questions and your couching of the final paragraph taken together carry the meaning that Jesus does not satisfy the law. Those questions are all your words, not God's Word.

    Fast forwarding, your 4th paragraph, 1st sentence carries precisely the same implication. Behold, it is the context of your sentence to your words of your posts in this thread that makes clear the meaning of the 4th paragraph, 1st sentence. Your sentence expresses that you believe that Jesus does not satisfy the law because you believe not keeping the 7th day sabbath is sin. Let me paraphrase your sentence again in this manner, your sentence expresses that you believe that Jesus satisfies the law except for the 10 commandments which you believe a person that does not keep the 10 commandments is practicing sin. The 4th paragraph, 1st sentence clearly summarizes your original post. I can say you say something by way of paraphrase, and it is accurate.

    This is what I perceive in the composition of your words.

    Your words carry meaning when composited, and your meaning is clear in your words. Now, I write again, you say that Jesus does not satisfy the law.

    With that all settled, Jesus says something different that you! Jesus said:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

    "It is finished!" (John 19:30 while Lord Jesus was on the cross)
     
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  6. Kermos

    Kermos God is the Potter, and we are the clay.

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    God bless you klutedavid!

    This whole lunar versus solar calendar comparison is quite revealing! Both you and Ace of Hearts have mentioned things that I find very interesting. I appreciate all that you have put in about this contested topic, even your saying that it is contested.

    It is a wonderful thing that the very foundation of Christianity is the centrality of Christ. His grace that He gives. His words that He gives, such as:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

    "It is finished!" (John 19:30 while Lord Jesus was on the cross)
     
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  7. LoveGodsWord

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    As posted ealier your words have no truth in them brother. Your only repeating things that are not true after being corrected because you have no scripture to share here in relation to the OP. This is sad for you. Please post where I have ever said in any one of my posts anywhere in this forum that JESUS does not satisfy the law? Now if you cannot provide a link to any post where I have said JESUS did not satisfy the law, why do you pretend that I have? This is simply bearing false witness against your brother especially as I have asked you more then once to show where I have ever said such things. This is sad for you. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

    They were not my words I provide but God's WORD. God's WORD is not my words. The scriptures provided show that God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and JESUS came to save us from SIN not to continue to sin *JOHN 8:31-36. These are Gods' WORDS and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. These are God's WORD not my words. You are free to believe and do as you wish but we will all answer to God come judgment day. I do not judge you but his WORD will jugdge everything we say and do *JOHN 12:36; 47-48

    Sadly your bearing false witness even after I have already corrected you on your confused interpretation of what I posted earlier. This is sad for you brother especially after I already esplained to you what was being posted many times now

    The 4th paragraph, 1st sentence in the earlier post says this..
    The above is what I posted to you and does not say what you are claiming. It is saying JESUS satisfied the law but did not satisfy the law so we can continue to break it. I then posted back to you after you made the same claim last time that you are misunderstanding what is quoted to you. I posted this for your correction earlier thinking you misunderstood what was posted to you saying you either misunderstand what has been posted to you of your deliberately try to twist my words to try and say what they are not saying. Which is it? The sentence above does not say JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW and the prophets it says that he did not satisfy the law and the prophets so that we are free to break them as it says in the scripture. Then I posted the first part of MATTHEW 5:17 as a scripture proof; Think NOT that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets... MATTHEW 5:17. This claim of yours is sad for you even more sad for you knowing that I have already corrected your misunderstanding as now I see your only trying to dishonestly twist what I have posted to you because I have already corrected you on what was posted and the intent of what was posted to you. This is sad for you brother. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

    Let's make this very clear here. It is God's WORD alone that says the GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) under the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. These are God's WORD not my words.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

    Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

    Sorry friend, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. All those who continue in known unrepentand sin do not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN and need to be Born again in LOVE to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *JOHN 3:3-8. Whosoever is BORN og GOD does not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:9. Those who do so have not seen him or know him 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

    Hope this helps.
     
  8. klutedavid

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    Jesus came to fulfill the entire law and the prophets also. Everything that the law ever spoke of was absolutely met in Jesus Christ.

    Your claiming that Jesus could not fulfill the law regarding murder, that the commandment to not murder has never been fulfilled?

    You misunderstand that Jesus was the only One who ever satisfied the expectation of everything that the law required.

    Very good reply and you clearly amplified his failure to realize the absolute fulfillment of the law by Jesus Christ.

    The law was never really written for us because no one could ever meet the law's demands. The law tells us why we need a savior, the law tells us to be patient for He is coming to take away our sin.

    The law is deeply prophetic in that the law only ever is describing the one person, who could ever meet it's extensive expectation. That one person was the Messiah Himself.

    Only absolute, divine love expressed in human form could ever meet the law in deed and in thought. Jesus not only matched the entire law but Jesus also far exceeded the law in all it ever asked of us.

    The revelation of the Old and New Testaments is Jesus Christ.

    You know that he was manifested to take away sins; and in Him is no sin (1 John 3:5).

    No sin means the law has been met, the law is satisfied, in Christ there is no written law because Christ wrote the law about Himself.
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Then please by all means as I have posted to your friends that they cannot respond to; maybe you can tell me the answer to these question?

    1. Can you prove from God's WORD of Israel's historical records that EVERY SABBATH is a NEW MOON and EVERY NEW MOON resets the days of the week?

    2. God's WORD says that the SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION WEEK and is EVERY WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11. While the NEW MOON was made on the 4th DAY of the CREATION WEEK *GENESIS 1:14-19 and is once a month. Now if the MOON was created on DAY 4 of the creation week and the SABBATH on day 7 how can the NEW MOON be the start of the SABBATH?

    GOD'S WORD DISAGREES WITH THE LUNA SABBATH THEORY

    God's SABBATH according to God's WORD is the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11. End of story. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleve and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. The NEW MOON brings in a NEW MONTH and does not RE-SET the WEEK which is a 7 day continual weekly cycle. A NEW MOON can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

    Please brother by all means prove what you are claiming which is that EVERY SABBATH is a NEW MOON and EVERY NEW MOON resets the days of the week? You cannot can you.

    BIBLICAL HISTORY DISAGREES WITH A LUNA SABBATH THEORY

    Your claims are a false teaching and have no basis in God's WORD; biblical history inside and outside of God's WORD.

    REFERENCES OUTSIDE OF GOD'S WORD.

    *Luna Sabbath false teaching here click me; and here click me; and here click me; and here click me.

    *Biblical Sabbath here click me (wiki)

    * Hebrew Luna Calander and NEW MOON cycles from Wiki; Judaism 101 and Israel Scrience and Technology and elsewhere that all disagree with you.

    So in essence your saying that all of Israel who have been keeping the SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath for 1000's of years have it wrong?

    Only sent in love brother and only as a help.
     
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    Lk 24:44 nor Mat 5:17-18 testify against me. I'm reasonably literate and educated. I can read. I can and do use dictionaries, lexicons, etc. I'm really bored with and tired of your insults. Any one with any smarts will look up each word you highlight.

    I didn't say anywhere Jesus came to destroy (stop) the law as you say. I've shown you the net result of what Jesus did by meeting the requirements of the law. Fulfill does mean - meet the requirements of. Your definition does include these highlighted words satisfy, finish, complete, end, etc. These words of your definition all line up with LK 24:44, Rom 10:4, Eph 2:15 and more. The word "fulfil" which you seem to say Jesus didn't accomplish allows for Heb 7:12 to be true. Heb 7:12 being true proves jots and tittles of the law have passed.

    The reason Jesus came was to redeem mankind period. The first promise is found in -

    Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    This was accomplished resulting in this testimony -

    Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

    14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    This is only a response to the part of your post on Mat 5:17. Your post is to long to respond to all of it in a single post.
     
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    Thank you for your multiple posts on a single one of my posts.

    You can't smother nor snuff me with your volume of words.
     
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    If both calendars don't have the same number of days it affects the weeks in a year.
     
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    You exclude it in talking about the same list of holy days in Col 2:16-17. You claim only the annual days are part of Col:16, you call shadows. If you call the annual holy days shadows, so is the weekly sabbath, called sabbaths because of their frequency resulting in a large number annually. Again this is the same list found in Lev 23.
     
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    Nope. No it does not. It only effects the number of days in the year and month as the seven day week is a continual cycle.
     
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    As posted earlier JESUS indeed fulfilled every aspect of God's laws; both the Mosaic law and the prophets and God's ETERNAL LAW 10 commandments) that God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT says give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

    As posted earlier JESUS did not fulfill God's LAW so that we are now free to break it. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

    As posted earlier the first part of the scripture you quote testifies against you. Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17).

    [17], Think not that I am come to destroy the <1> law, or <2> the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to <3> fulfill.

    NOTE: JESUS did not come to destroy or stop καταλύω; kataluō the law or the prophets (this is referring to torah both the 10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the covenant prophets and psalms).

    The GREEK word fulfill used πληρόω; plēroō here has many applications depending on the context of use. The many meanings of fulfil πληρόω; plēroō are From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

    In the context above we are referring to the law, prophets and Psalms. The CONTEXT is that JESUS has not come to destroy or bring to an END to the law, prophets and psalms. So the GREEK word use here for fulfill based on the rules of CONTEXT cannot mean bring to an end or expire. The meaning here then considering the GREEK word and primary context whics not to destroy being used then is to SATISFY, to EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH, PERFECT or FULFILL the requirements of the LAW and the PROPHETS and PSALMS which were spoken of JESUS. This is re-emphasized in v18

    [18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    NOTE: The topic is still the same here in v18 and the CONTEXT therefore is still the LAW and the prophets and Psalms. This passage is referring to HEAVEN and EARTH passing away. This does not take place until after the SECOND COMING. As HEAVEN and EARTH have not passed away and as yet there has been no SECOND COMING it should be very clear that all things concerning CHRIST and God's plan of salvation for mankind written in the law and the prophets and Psalms have NOT YET BEEN FULFILLED.

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    CONCLUSION The GREEK meaning of fulfill in v17 πληρόω; plēroō defines it's meaning from the CONTEXT of application which is JESUS saying he has not come to destroy or bring to an end the law and the prophets (torah) the GREEK application for fulfill then cannot mean bring to an end as this is not the meaning of the context used before by JESUS saying he has not come to bring to an end (destroy). The context meaning of fulfill in v17 πληρόω; plēroō therefore means to SATISFY, to EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH, PERFECT or FULFILL the requirements of the LAW and the PROPHETS and PSALMS which were spoken of JESUS.
    Not all thing have been fulfilled concerning JESUS in the law and the prophets and Psalms as Heaven and Earth have not passed away and there has not been a second coming to complete God's plan of salvation for mankind so not all things have been fulfilled. What has been fulfilled is Christs work on earth but not in HEAVEN.
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    With these thoughts in mind brother let's move through the scriptures of MATTHEW 5:17-29 slowly as they further show that none of God's Commandments have been abolished.

    MATTHEW 5:17-29
    [17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
    [18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    [19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    [20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    [21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
    [22], But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
    [23], Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has ought against you;
    [24], Leave there your gift before the altar, and go your way; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
    [25], Agree with your adversary quickly, whiles you are in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be cast into prison.
    [26], Truly I say to you, You shall by no means come out there, till you have paid the uttermost farthing.
    [27], You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not commit adultery:
    [28], But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
    [29], And if your right eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from you: for it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.

    [31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
    [32], But I say to you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

    Yep Jesus is certainly referencing the 10 Commandment applying them to our very thoughts and feelings.

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    NOTE: After stating that none of God's LAW (10 Commandments) have been abolished v17-19, Jesus then goes on to say; v20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Jesus then goes on and amplifies the application of God's LAW to the heart (thoughts and feelings) which is the very root of sin saying that if we lust after women we are committing Adultery and being angry with your brother as murder from the 10 commandments as examples in v17-27.Jesus starts out by saying;

    Jesus finishes by saying in v48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    NOTE: The application here in v19-32 changes to specifically focus now on God's 10 commandments where JESUS is saying whoever breaks any one of God's 10 Commandmetns shall be called the least in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN; that is by those already there. The least in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN are those who do not go there. The application of here of the 10 Commandments is shown in v20-22 and v32 where JESUS uses examples of the commandments he is referring to citing "YOU SHALL NOT KILL" and "COMMIT ADULTERY" which are two of God's 10 Commandments found in EXODUS 20:13-14. It is pretty clear here that if JESUS came to put an end to God's 10 Commandments he would not be teaching them and increasing their application to the inside out in verses 19-22 and verses 31-32.

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    CONCLUSION: JESUS did not come to destroy the law or the prophets he came to fulfill them. The are not fulfilled. Christs work on earth is fulfilled but not God's plan of salvation which is also written in the law and the prophets and Psalms. God's eternal law (the 10 Commandments) are not abolished and not to be broken.

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    Now we have had an overall look at MATTHEW 5:17 in context with the rest of the chapter to v32, lets focus our attention to MATTHEW 5:20.

    [20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART.

    It is BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. We all have a sinful nature *ROMANS 7. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9.

    This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

    Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

    God's WORD is only sent in love and as a help to you.
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Your welcome. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. Here is the rest of the post and the scriptures you did not add to the post you are responding to that disagree with your inrterpretation of LUKE 24:44

    As posted earlier Luke 24:44 disagrees with your interpretation of it. It is not saying God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) are abolished brother. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. It is saying that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    The Book of the law of MOSES *EXODUS 24:7 is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) *EXODUS 20:1-17 that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

    Here let's look at some examples through the scriptures showing the meaning of

    LUKE 24:44. [44], And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    Why do you think I always say to you if you do not understand what the shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD pointed to?

    What do you think the animal sacrifices pointed to and the earlthy Sanctuary and levitical priesthood pointed to? In regards to LUKE 24:44 you do know the Mosaic shadow laws, the prophets and Psalms all pointed to JESUS right as the coming Messiah e.g. *DANIEL 9:24-27; PSALMS 40; HEBREWS 10; PSALMS 22 etc etc...

    Some (not exhaustive) more OLD testament scriptures of JESUS fulfilled in the new testament

    [1] Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15; Matthew 1:20; Galatians 4:4
    [2] Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-6
    [3] Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:22-23; Luke 1:26-31
    [4] Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Romans 9:5
    [5] Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19; Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34
    [6] Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2
    [7] Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:33; Hebrews 7:14
    [8] Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13; Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33; Romans 1:3
    [9] Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7; Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33; Hebrews 1:8-12
    [10] Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23
    [11] Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15
    [12] A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18
    13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6
    [14] Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8; Isaiah 53:3; John 1:11; John 7:5
    [15] Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15; Acts 3:20-22
    [16] Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6; Matthew 11:13-14
    [17] Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7; Matthew 3:16-17
    [18] Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1; Matthew 2:23
    [19] Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2; Matthew 4:13-16
    [20] Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4; Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:10-15; 34-35
    [21] Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-; Luke 4:18-19
    [22] Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:5-6
    [23] Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6; Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 27:37; Mark 11:7-11
    [24] Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2; Matthew 21:16
    [25] Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16
    [26] Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field. Zechariah 11:12-13; Matthew 27:9-10
    [27] Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11; Mark 14:57-58
    [28] Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7; Mark 15:4-5
    [29] Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 26:67
    [30] Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19; Psalm 69:4; John 15:24-25
    [31] Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38; Mark 15:27-28
    [32] Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34; John 19:28-30
    [33] Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16; Zechariah 12:10; John 20:25-7
    [34] Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8; Luke 23:35
    [35] Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34; Matthew 27:35-36
    [36] Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46; Psalm 34:20; John 19:33-36
    [37] Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46
    [38] Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
    [39] Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34
    [40] Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60
    [41] Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10; Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7; Acts 2:22-32
    [42] Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51
    43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18; Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19; Matthew 22:44
    [44] Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8 (source)

    Brother the above are only some of many more. We haven't even started talking about CIRCUMCISION and some of the other SHADOW laws associated with the annual feast days, new moons and special ceremonial sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week (not God's 4th commandment) from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

    Hope this helps to explain your question in relation to Luke 24:44

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
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    We can't violate something we're not subject to. We're also not desecrating the sabbath or the law. The law has no jurisdiction. Gal 3:19, Rom 7:6, etc. Yes there are more.
     
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    With out the weekly cycle there's no monthly cycle which is a collective of weekly cycles.
     
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    Thank you. Anything I say including Scripture is error IYO. So why post more to be called a liar about?
     
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    Not quite. The sabbath is a requirement besides the annual feasts for Israel and no one else according to the Book of the Law.
     
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