Where do we find the incarnation addressed in the Qur'an?

[Barney2.0]

There is this incarnation of the Word of God in Quran.

3:45 "When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah)"

4:171 "O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector."

So Isa (aleyhissalam) was a Word from Allah but not ALLAH. The Quranic concept is very clear.

According to you Muslims the Word of God is uncreated alongside God, if this is so then the Word is also God, because the Word is inseparable from God therefore is also God. Jesus can’t be the Word of God and not God at the same time it has to be one or the other.

 

[AskTheFamily]

Sorry brother Masihi, Quran is connected to God but is not God. It's eternal only in the sense it points to God and is light from his light, but the words are Arabic which all didn't exist.

The Muslims who emphasized that Quran or his word is eternal, mixed a lot up, they are not an authority over Quran or Sunnah.

Everything in Islam has to be proven to be followed, but I know this is not the current state of Muslims.

It's part of the warning of Quran not to take those who take the religion as a game and play time as authorities pertaining to the revelations they claim to represent.

Wallah, these people talking about Quran as in all the Arabic words being eternal and literally meant it, Wallah, they are not worth our time, and 3:7 warns about following unclear from Quran over what is clear, and indeed all the Sunnah is clear clarifications of Quran, and to be used, but anything Quran doesn't confirm is not to be followed.

This is a huge trial we are in, God provides best guidance, but relying on misguided people pertaining to it, will only lead to misguidance.

The gospels are beautiful, and God is above having any equals.

 

[Barney2.0]

Jesus is the word of truth by which people differ and dispute, he was a past instance of the great tiding, a true king by which God channeled his light and fabrics of love to creation, and indeed love of the family of the reminder that God sealed revelations through, their love is a also a great tiding, and people turn aside from it and on the day of judgment people will know it's tiding then and the immense favors they will be asked about (Suratal Saad ending).

Incarnations don't make sense, because God cannot be confined or limited see Suratal Ikhlaas/Tawheed (3rd last Surah).

The divine nature of God is not limited only the personhood is which doesn’t effect his divine will.

 

[Barney2.0]

Sorry brother Masihi, Quran is connected to God but is not God. It's eternal only in the sense it points to God and is light from his light, but the words are Arabic which all didn't exist.

The Muslims who emphasized that Quran or his word is eternal, mixed a lot up, they are not an authority over Quran or Sunnah.

Everything in Islam has to be proven to be followed, but I know this is not the current state of Muslims.

It's part of the warning of Quran not to take those who take the religion as a game and play time as authorities pertaining to the revelations they claim to represent.

Wallah, these people talking about Quran as in all the Arabic words being eternal and literally meant it, Wallah, they are not worth our time, and 3:7 warns about following unclear from Quran over what is clear, and indeed all the Sunnah is clear clarifications of Quran, and to be used, but anything Quran doesn't confirm is not to be followed.

This is a huge trial we are in, God provides best guidance, but relying on misguided people pertaining to it, will only lead to misguidance.

The gospels are beautiful, and God is above having any equals.

This issue was solved during the Mu’tazilite heresy the Quran is uncreated of God and exists along side him in his presence. The Arabic revealed form of the Quran is the earthly version of it the actual meaning of the Quran and its nature according to Islam exist alongside God. This was derived from the Quran and Sunnah to combat the Mu’tazilite heresy and other heresies popping up in the Islamic world. If you seperate the Word of God from God your a mutilator of God as his Word is inseparable from his essence and nature. It’s far better to say God has an associate then to mutilate him, for in denying the divinity of the Word you have mutilated him.

 

[AskTheFamily]

God's living words are the leaders he appoints and his written words are his holy books, and since the true form and nature of life is spiritual, that is not physical, then points to himself through those spoken ideas who point to Him in his direction.

He has fused the written revelation wit his leaders, and he only put to stop to them, to unite people on the leadership of his living words, which cannot ever come to an end and rather Quran confirms that it will remain in the offspring of Abraham and there will be that word of guidance in a line from Abraham till the day of judgement.

Moses was from Isaac, but Jesus words weren't to complain of split milk (ie. Prophets abandoned in children of Israel) but to prepare people to realize the 12 princes of the Messenger King of the world and who would be sent to all.

When I speak, words are not identical to me, they rather are linked to me. They manifest some aspects of me. God's words however are perfect, and so point to him perfectly.

They are not identical with God, for God is beyond all and is above having diversity in his "who" he is and what he is, but rather, he a single unity, he is unique, but he is also a single unity.

 

[Barney2.0]

God's living words are the leaders he appoints and his written words are his holy books, and since the true form and nature of life is spiritual, that is not physical, then points to himself through those spoken ideas who point to Him in his direction.

He has fused the written revelation wit his leaders, and he only put to stop to them, to unite people on the leadership of his living words, which cannot ever come to an end and rather Quran confirms that it will remain in the offspring of Abraham and there will be that word of guidance in a line from Abraham till the day of judgement.

Moses was from Isaac, but Jesus words weren't to complain of split milk (ie. Prophets abandoned in children of Israel) but to prepare people to realize the 12 princes of the Messenger King of the world and who would be sent to all.

When I speak, words are not identical to me, they rather are linked to me. They manifest some aspects of me. God's words however are perfect, and so point to him perfectly.

They are not identical with God, for God is beyond all and is above having diversity in his "who" he is and what he is, but rather, he a single unity, he is unique, but he is also a single unity.

What can point to God more perfectly then God himself, as the Son points to the Father and they point humankind to themselves through the Holy Spirit.

 

[AskTheFamily]

God is perfectly pointed to by leaders who point to him and are the path to God such as Moses, Abraham, Aaron, Jesus, and Samuel, as well as Mohammad and his family.

That is what is mean by "the beautiful names", they are his spoken living words that perfectly point to him.
Now to prove them as well as verify all they say to be true, he has coupled with them and allied with them, and called to them and knowing them well, he uses holy books that through their nature, they can best understand and explain to people.

But these books because God knows the hidden path and endless road, has made the holy book somehow contain all knowledge on this endless road and increases in guidance ceaselessly.

It never reaches God though, it's forever meant to go in infinite direction, but God is even beyond infinity, and all levels of infinity, the highest we can think of, is not a ounce to God's greatness....

So yes holy books are an endless rope connected to God but they will never manifest him in full, they are rather an endless way of him teaching us and proving to us.....

And this type of endless guidance is not possible for humans to write and in that lies it's true miracle, not some eloquence of Arabic that is because it's not poetry or normal writting but something inbetween which at most can be a sign of uniqueness and that should it be studied, but the proof and majestic signs of it, it's in journeying and seeing how it clarifies itself endlessly and in that, all things are found pertaining to guidance - no doubt from all knowing aware.

The book as described by Rasool is a rope connected to God along with the family of the reminder, which was his family, although there was many past families of the reminders, the final rope is Quran and Ahlulbayt (as).

They are not God but they are perfectly directing to God and leading back to him.

 

[Barney2.0]

God is perfectly pointed to by leaders who point to him and are the path to God such as Moses, Abraham, Aaron, Jesus, and Samuel, as well as Mohammad and his family.

That is what is mean by "the beautiful names", they are his spoken living words that perfectly point to him.
Now to prove them as well as verify all they say to be true, he has coupled with them and allied with them, and called to them and knowing them well, he uses holy books that through their nature, they can best understand and explain to people.

But these books because God knows the hidden path and endless road, has made the holy book somehow contain all knowledge on this endless road and increases in guidance ceaselessly.

It never reaches God though, it's forever meant to go in infinite direction, but God is even beyond infinity, and all levels of infinity, the highest we can think of, is not a ounce to God's greatness....

So yes holy books are an endless rope connected to God but they will never manifest him in full, they are rather an endless way of him teaching us and proving to us.....

And this type of endless guidance is not possible for humans to write and in that lies it's true miracle, not some eloquence of Arabic that is because it's not poetry or normal writting but something inbetween which at most can be a sign of uniqueness and that should it be studied, but the proof and majestic signs of it, it's in journeying and seeing how it clarifies itself endlessly and in that, all things are found pertaining to guidance - no doubt from all knowing aware.

The book as described by Rasool is a rope connected to God along with the family of the reminder, which was his family, although there was many past families of the reminders, the final rope is Quran and Ahlulbayt (as).

They are not God but they are perfectly directing to God and leading back to him.

And who appoints the mortal prophets if not God himself.

 

[AskTheFamily]

He appoints them, but is beyond them, and nothing can be compared to God and God doesn't have diversity, lest an aspect of him is lacking in other aspects, and he be formed of none absolute qualities. Rather he is One, such that all perfections point to his absolute perfection which is perfect and one.

 

[Barney2.0]

He appoints them, but is beyond them, and nothing can be compared to God and God doesn't have diversity, lest an aspect of him is lacking in other aspects, and he be formed of none absolute qualities. Rather he is One, such that all perfections point to his absolute perfection which is perfect and one.

Nothing is compared to God, yet God does function in plurality just as a monarch does.

 

[AskTheFamily]

You have to elaborate on that, I may or may not agree.

 

[anatolian]

According to you Muslims the Word of God is uncreated alongside God, if this is so then the Word is also God, because the Word is inseparable from God therefore is also God. Jesus can’t be the Word of God and not God at the same time it has to be one or the other.

There is no such a teaching in Islam. Jesus is a word of God but not God in Islam.

Why the word of God must be God’s Himself?

 

[Barney2.0]

There is no such a teaching in Islam. Jesus is a word of God but not God in Islam.

Why the word of God must be God’s Himself?

That’s why Islam has a paradox on calling Jesus the Word of God. According to Islam the Word of God is uncreated and eternal alongside God, for this reason the Quran is stated to be uncreated, if this is so then Jesus must also be uncreated alongside God. And because the Word of God is inseparable to God himself and must bear his same divine nature then the Word is God. That’s why if Muslims want to disapprove the divinity of Jesus they’d have to stop calling him the Word of God.

 

[AskTheFamily]

According to Islam? Sure. According to God, prove it. According to true Islam prove it. Sure, what you say is true of the official Islam as in majority accepted Islam.

But if we were going to accept majority might as well become Christian trinitarians.