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Where do we find the incarnation addressed in the Qur'an?

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by GeorgeTwo, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. GeorgeTwo

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    The incarnation:

    John 1:In the beginning was the Word,
    and the Word was with God,
    and the Word was God.
    2 He was with God in the beginning.
    3 All things were created through Him,
    and apart from Him not one thing was created
    that has been created.

    The Word became flesh
    and took up residence among us.

    I can't find any reference to the incarnation at all in the Qur'an.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. HTacianas

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    Quran Surah 3:47
     
  3. GeorgeTwo

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    This Surah does not address the incarnation:

    She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.

    I'm looking for something Allah said like: "I did not incarnate Jesus"
     
  4. royal priest

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    Muslims do not deny the incarnation of Jesus. What they deny is the Son of God as God. They recognize the existence of Jesus, but only as a mere prophet.
     
  5. HTacianas

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    There's nothing like that in the quran. The only difference between the Muslim and Christian beliefs in the birth of Jesus is the Christian belief that he was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. As stated above, the Muslim belief is that God spoke the conception into being.

    Islam recognizes only God alone. No Holy Spirit. The quran here and there warns Muslims "do not say three", in opposition to the Christian view of the Trinity. It also chastises anyone who makes Mary "into a god", due to Christianity's veneration of Mary.
     
  6. Godistruth1

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    No incarnation

    [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."
    Qur'an
    19:36
     
  7. GeorgeTwo

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    Islam does not teach the incarnation -- the Word who is God becoming flesh.

    When the Qur'an says don't say "three," it means don't say three Gods. According to the Qur'an the three Gods are Allah, Jesus and Mary.

    Jesus as a man worshipped the one true God.

    There is strong evendence that the author of the Qur'an never heard of the incarnation because the Qur'an says Jesus could not be God because He had to eat food. Christians have always believed Jesus was fully human and had to eat food.
     
  8. Godistruth1

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    Point is God does not become human and God does not have a son. Even Bible says God is not a man at one place and in OT God is One without mentioning anything about Trinity. So even when u compare OT with NT you will see God is not man and not son of God
     
  9. GeorgeTwo

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    Point is God does not become human and God does not have a son. Even Bible says God is not a man at one place and in OT God is One without mentioning anything about Trinity. So even when u compare OT with NT you will see God is not man and not son of God

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    I agree that God is not a man. Look at the qulafirers--

    Numbers 23:19 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
    19 God is not a man who lies,
    or a son of man who changes His mind.
    Does He speak and not act,
    or promise and not fulfill?

    These verses does not say that God cannot incarnatee a man.

    God does not have a son via sex. The conception of Jesus was caused by the power of God, similar to saying "be."

    But your Allah said he needed a wife in order to have a son, (sex).

    Chrstians believe in one God and one God only.









    I agree that God is not a man. Look at the qulafirers--

    Numbers 23:19 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
    19 God is not a man who lies,
    or a son of man who changes His mind.
    Does He speak and not act,
    or promise and not fulfill?

    These verses does not say that God cannot incarnatee a man.

    God does not have a son via sex. The conception of Jesus was caused by the power of God, similar to saying "be."

    But your Allah said he needed a wife in order to have a son, (sex).

    Chrstians believe in one God and one God only.
     
  10. Yi-man

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    You claim it's One GOD, but they are 3 separate distinct entities, which to anyone using reason and logic shows it is actually 3 gods.

    Where is the incarnation found in the Torah?
    Where did Jesus pbuh teach the incarnation?
     
  11. GeorgeTwo

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    There is only one Being who is God.

    “Persons” means there are three personal distinctions within God, each who is fully God, yet only one God.

    The easiest way to show their personhood is to look at the Holy Spirit.

    Names of the Spirit

    1. God- Acts 5:3-4
    2. Lord-2 Cor.3:18
    3. Spirit-1 Cor. 2:10

    4. Spirit of God – 1 Cor. 3:16
    5. Spirit of Truth – John 15:26
    6. Eternal Spirit –Heb. 9:14

    Attributes of (9)

    7. Eternal – Heb. 9:14
    8. Omnipotent- Luke 1:35
    9. Omnipresent - Psalm 139:7
    10. Distinct Will from the father and the son- 1 Cor.12:11
    11.
    Loves- Rom.15:30
    12. Speaks – Acts 8:29; 13.2
    13. Distinct Mind from the father and the son – Rom 8:27

    14. Distinct Self from the father and the son – John 16:13
    15.
    Alive- John 14:17

    The person of the Holy Spirit does what a person does; He teaches, He speaks, He can be grieved.

    There is an ordering or a chain of command within the Trinity. All comes from the Father (God). It is God who sends the son; the son never sends the Father. God sends His Holy Spirit and tells Him what to do and speak. That is why Peter said if you have lied to the Holy Spirit you have lied to God.

    The Holy Spirit says what He hears from the Father.

    God’s Word is the second person of the Trinity. It is God’s Word who incarnated Jesus of Nazarath, making Him one person with two natures. That is why Jesus said He could do nothing on His own; that is why Jesus said in John 17, “5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.”

    That is why Jesus as the incarnate Word of God could say that the Father is greater than He is. Greater in authority or office, but not in essense.

    Jesus as the incarnate Word of God said in John 17:

    5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

    The Word of God is eternal and it is the Word of God who incarnated Jesus of Nazareth.

    The concept of the Trinity was revealed in the New Testament and it is biblical:

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/bowman_robert/trinity/trinity.cfm



    https://www.monergism.com/topics/trinity



    https://www.monergism.com/topics/trinity/biblical-evidence-trinity
     
  12. Niblo

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    @royal priest: For you, also:

    The ‘incarnation’ is not – and never has been – an Islamic doctrine. Anyone who believes that it ought to be (that Muslims have misunderstood the Qur'an) should submit their argument, supported by relevant texts. Anything other than this is a waste of time; a mere ‘chasing after wind’ (Eccl. 1:17).
     
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  13. GeorgeTwo

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    I know Muslims do not believe in the incarnation.

    However, this is a huge issue and the author of the Qur'an does not address it and I want to know why. My position is that the author of the Qur'an never heard of it.

    I know Muslims do not believe in the incarnation.

    However, this is a huge issue and the author of the Qur'an does not address it and I want to know why. My position is that the author of the Qur'an never heard of it.
     
  14. Godistruth1

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    My question to you is this. Why does God not mention him being a Trinity in OT? God does not have a begotten son in OT and can u tell why?
     
  15. Niblo

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    It is not an issue for the Muslims!

    To say that the Qur’an does not address the doctrine of the incarnation is incorrect.

    Trinitarian belief in the incarnation is affirmed by these words:

    'I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten not made…….' (from the Nicene Creed).

    Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) issues the following denial:

    'Say: ''He is Allāh the One, Allāh the eternal. He begot no one nor was He begotten. No one is comparable to Him.''' (Al-Ikhlas: 1-4).

    The word ‘beget’ means to father another being that is of the same nature and qualities as oneself. The only being that Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) could possibly beget* is another being like Himself; certainly not a man. But the Exalted does not beget!

    * Setting aside the question: ‘Is it logically possible for Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) to create another like Himself?’

    Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) tells us that: ‘There is nothing like Him (ka’mith'lihi).’ (Al-Shura 11).

    Ka’mithlihi is a word that uses two letters to describe likeness. The first (‘kaf’) is used to liken one thing to another to a great degree. The second (‘mithl’) likens one thing to another to a small degree. Linguistically, therefore, Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) is telling us that nothing at all can be compared to Him, not in the slightest degree. This amounts to a denial of Yeshua (radi Allahu 'anhu)’s supposed ‘divine nature’.

    Darrel Pack writes:

    'It is a deadly, demonic deception that Islam presents a story about Jesus, yet strips him of the title Savior. The Quran has much to say about the nature of (the Messiah). The core message in this regard is that he is neither God nor the Son of God. He is a man of great spiritual significance, but only a man. Quranic descriptions of (the Messiah) included some very elevated titles but these titles are all interpreted downward and become little more than honorifics.' ('The Quranic Jesus: A Demonic Deception: An Evangelical Assessment of Jesus in the Quran; Book 1').
     
  16. Al Masihi

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    God does mention a trinity in the Old Testament, by saying he’s one. Secondly who was God talking to in Genesis? God does have a begotten son as it’s foreshadowed, with him telling David today I have begotten you.
     
  17. Al Masihi

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    Jesus doesn’t need to teach the incarnation as it’s dogma and can be found in scripture, it’s pretty much just plain logic. The incarnation can be found when Jacob wrestled with what appeared to be a God-man which shows that God did incarnate himself as a man more then once. Three separate distinct persons aren’t three distinct gods, based on the logic that each is not a deity in its own right, rather a person that are each co eternally God. What’s so hard to get about that?
     
  18. Al Masihi

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    God is not a man that he should lie, it doesn’t say God is not a man, God wrestled with Jacob as a man. God is one is the definition of the Trinity.
     
  19. Al Masihi

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    To put it simply there is no concept in Islam as the incarnation, although you might find anthropomorphic references to God in the Quran or Islamic theologians describing God as anthropomorphic, there is not concept of God adopting a second or third nature that isn't divine.
     
  20. GeorgeTwo

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    This is saying there is only one God. "Lord" is someone who has authority over another -- the Messiah.

    JESUS: You call me Teacher and Lord - and you are right, for that is what I am. (John 13:13)

    Psalm 2:7

    I will tell of the decree; The Lord said to me, "You are My son; this day have I begotten you.

    The Qur'an says that God does not beget like humans do. The commentary in my Qur'an interpretes what the Qur'an says correctly.

    "It is a derogation from the glory of God in fact it is blasphemy to say that God begets sons, like a man or an animal. The Christian doctrine is here emphatically repudiated. If words have any meaning, it would mean an attribution to God of a material nature, and of the lower animal functions of sex."

    You of all people should know this is not what Christians believe.

    He didn't.

    The Bible says the same thing.

    To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him? Isaiah 40:18


    I fail to see why you posted this since it is a book against the Qur'an, as Amazon says:

    "This concise and direct book is a precise description of what the Quran (Qur'an, or Koran) says about Jesus Christ. It shows how Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, distorts the key teachings of the Bible about the life, teachings, death, and nature of Jesus Christ. Today we find Muslims claiming that they love and follow Jesus Christ, but is the Jesus they present the Jesus of the Bible or a Jesus that contrasts and conflicts with the Biblical Jesus Christ.

    The Quran presents to us a demonically distorted version of Christ and this book looks at the key Quranic texts and the Arabic originals of those texts to discover what the Islamic holy book says about Jesus. Muhammad bin Abdullah, the illiterate prophet of Islam, lived 600 years and 600 miles from where Jesus lived and taught. From mystical experiences he received messages about Jesus Christ. These messages present a radical anti-biblical picture of who Jesus was and what he did. The Quran does not have one single New Testament quote from Jesus Christ. The Quranic Jesus is a mere prophet, he is not the Son of God, God the Son, humanity's teacher and guide, or the Savior. He was a prophet, nothing more, and his main prophetic task was simply to tell people that Muhammad was coming. In the Quran, Jesus becomes a forerunner, John the Baptist-like figure for Muhammad.

    This demonic distortion is entrenched in the Muslim psyche and through writers like Ahmad Deedat, Shabbir Ally, Jamal Badawi and many others, it is making inroads in the West today."

    Jesus said:

    After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:


    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

    Sorry, but it appears you don't know either one.
     
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