When will Rome be in the Church?

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

What would be the response if someone from TAW posted something like this in OBOB regarding Catholicism?
You are violating the rules of CF in general, let alone the specific rules for TAW. Perhaps you should take a break and reflect on your attitude.

Forgive me, you're right. I've edited my many posts and I'll leave now. God bless.

 

[prodromos]

Forgive me, you're right. I've edited my many posts and I'll leave now. God bless.

God bless.

 

[Lost4words]

yeah, seeing as how this is the Orthodox forum and I am an Orthodox Christian, it makes sense that's the POV I would give.

and if you disagree with our view of Rome, you could ask about it, swoop in with a needless and poor attempt at sarcasm.

No need for the nasty reply my friend. Thanks!

 

[Jesus4Madrid]

The oldest protestant daughter of the church is Eastern Orthodoxy, that's actually the truth. Orthodoxy is a rather humorous title for such a rebellious communion seeing how disobedience is in fact very heterodox in its very nature.

Of course one could argue that the OO set a bad example for the rest of the east by going on her own even earlier, but the sin is the same nevertheless.

Besides what about all those schismatic groups you shelter? Old calendarists, true Orthodoxy and now EP or MP depending on who you ask etc...
Fragmentation is apparent if you're honest.

Are you really going to complain about "schismatic groups" in Orthodoxy, when you have identified yourself as a supporter of SSPX, which denies the Second Vatican Council's teaching and has had cosy relationships with holocaust deniers like Bishop Richard Williamson? Heal yourself.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Are you really going to complain about "schismatic groups" in Orthodoxy, when you have identified yourself as a supporter of SSPX, which denies the Second Vatican Council's teaching and has had cosy relationships with holocaust deniers like Bishop Richard Williamson? Heal yourself.

Inaccurate description at best...

 

[Jesus4Madrid]

Inaccurate description at best...

Completely accurate and the SSPX continues to have an irregular relationship with the Vatican. However, whilst I would be happy to debate this with you, this is not the place for that, as I think you know.

 

[ArmyMatt]

No need for the nasty reply my friend. Thanks!

I'm just saying what would have been more productive. I don't see how my post was nasty when you were the one who came in here, not in this discussion, and put quotes around Orthodox.

I have yet to go to OBOB, find an Orthodox Christian debating those posters in their forum , and chime in about the "Catholic" position.

you're welcome.

 

[Light of the East]

Nationalism is not a sin, what are you talking about?

It may not be a sin, but it has led to an awful lot of wars and other horrors. We are supposed to be brothers and sisters in a united family, not French and therefore hating the Spanish, or English and therefore hating the Irish. History is filled - I mean just chock full - of Christians killing each other because they weren't of the right ethnic heritage.

 

[Light of the East]

I am not Russian so I do not know all the political intricacies and views of its people, nor am I yet truly Orthodox as I have not been able to begin the catechumen period due to living a great distance from any Orthodox church. So please, do not address me with such arrogance and disdain as if I should know better. Make your case in honest discussion and we may have a meaningful dialogue.

From what I have seen Putin is very much a defender of the Church. The west, meaning its governments, secular philosophy and academia and much of its population, is an enemy of Christianity. The west is a godless and secular land, even its Christians living lives cut off from anything sacred. I do not know the exact moral state of Russia but from what i can tell the Church still has authority and honor and its people still live by traditional principles (family, anti-sodomy, etc). As for Roman Catholics many, many people both Orthodox and not see them as an enemy. While you may disagree with this view I do not see how it is a sin for Putin to be anti-RC.

Now tell me how Nationalism is a sin. I am a staunch Nationalist for Scriptural and logical reasons. I believe globalism, not nationalism, is a sin and tool of the Devil.

I have to kindly disagree. While nationalism is not sin per se, as I mentioned in another reply, it has led to quite a number of Christians killing other Christians just because they were not of the right ethnic background. It has been all too easy for emperors and kings who lusted after land and power to whip the unwashed masses into a killing frenzy by appealing to "national pride."

As for globalism - at this present time, the word indicates a desire by a small, demonic group of very rich and powerful elites to control everything. They are satanic in nature and desire. But the idea of a single world goes all the way back to the beginning. What if Adam and Eve had not sinned? We would have globalism as the human race grew and spread, but it would be a divine globalism ruled over by a single king and queen in harmony with God and His Law of love.

Remember, Satan always takes the truth and provides a counterfeit which gives him power and rule over us. Current globalism is that satanic counterfeit, but I see nothing wrong with a single family of mankind ruled over by a single king and queen.

And as we know and expect (and long for) when He returns with His Queen, we will have that. All enmity, arrogance, wickedness, and rebellion will cease and we will live in harmony as a one-world community.

 

[Lost4words]

I'm just saying what would have been more productive. I don't see how my post was nasty when you were the one who came in here, not in this discussion, and put quotes around Orthodox.

I have yet to go to OBOB, find an Orthodox Christian debating those posters in their forum , and chime in about the "Catholic" position.

you're welcome.

Well, how you see it is very different to what it actually looks like my friend. Your reply came across all defensive.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Well, how you see it is very different to what it actually looks like my friend. Your reply came across all defensive.

I don't see how it was defensive. you put the name of our Church in quotes, and didn't even engage in the actual discussion.

 

[Lost4words]

I don't see how it was defensive. you put the name of our Church in quotes, and didn't even engage in the actual discussion.

It was just a short comment. I was just making a simple comment thats all. You got defensive with me over it. I didnt want to cause any trouble. Different if i came in fists flying, so to speak.

Sorry if it came across badly.

 

[ArmyMatt]

It was just a short comment. I was just making a simple comment thats all. You got defensive with me over it. I didnt want to cause any trouble. Different if i came in fists flying, so to speak.

Sorry if it came across badly.

again, I wasn't being defensive. that was why earlier I brought up if I chimed in on OBOB and called the RC, "Catholic," I would probably rightly be called rude, especially if I wasn't involved in the actual discussion. there was no need to be defensive, since you didn't actually contribute to what we were talking about.

 

[prodromos]

Sorry if it came across badly.

It did, and it should not surprise you given the nature of some of your past interactions with Orthodox on these forums.
That said, thank you for your apology

 

[Lost4words]

It did, and it should not surprise you given the nature of some of your past interactions with Orthodox on these forums.
That said, thank you for your apology

Its easy to forget where one is tryping. Sorry

 

[prodromos]

Its easy to forget where one is tryping. Sorry

No worries. We do understand that and try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Varangian Christian]

I have to kindly disagree. While nationalism is not sin per se,

So it isn't a sin. You can stop there.

it has led to quite a number of Christians killing other Christians just because they were not of the right ethnic background. It has been all too easy for emperors and kings who lusted after land and power to whip the unwashed masses into a killing frenzy by appealing to "national pride."

Devotion to God led to entire ethnicities being wiped out by the Israelites. Is devotion to God evil? I think not. Nationalism is the God appointed structure of humanity (Deut 32:8, Acts 17:26). Globalism is the sin of Babel and Antichrist.

As for globalism - at this present time, the word indicates a desire by a small, demonic group of very rich and powerful elites to control everything. They are satanic in nature and desire.

You underestimate the size of the Globalist forces. Almost all media, at least in America and Canada, is pro-Globalism. Practically all of Academia is pro-Globalist and the things that come with it such as socialism.

But the idea of a single world goes all the way back to the beginning. What if Adam and Eve had not sinned? We would have globalism as the human race grew and spread, but it would be a divine globalism ruled over by a single king and queen in harmony with God and His Law of love.

Remember, Satan always takes the truth and provides a counterfeit which gives him power and rule over us. Current globalism is that satanic counterfeit, but I see nothing wrong with a single family of mankind ruled over by a single king and queen.

And as we know and expect (and long for) when He returns with His Queen, we will have that. All enmity, arrogance, wickedness, and rebellion will cease and we will live in harmony as a one-world community.

Agreed, Globalism with God as the king is the ideal and our ultimate destiny. However, as the earth is now it is God's design that humanity be governed under separate nations. I believe God has divided humanity up according to the divine council, an angel or angels being set over each nation, thus the nation is divinely instituted and must be protected.

 

[RobNJ]

But you forgot to mention The Black Helicopters!!!!!

 

[TheLostCoin]

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[TheLostCoin]

Devotion to God led to entire ethnicities being wiped out by the Israelites. Is devotion to God evil? I think not. Nationalism is the God appointed structure of humanity (Deut 32:8, Acts 17:26). Globalism is the sin of Babel and Antichrist.

The problem is, "Nationalism" as we understand it today didn't exist back in the day. Long before the Enlightenment and the printing-press, Nations constantly fluxed and changed in terms of identity.

People certainly obeyed their leaders and accepted myths which legitimized the leader's rule, but there was no real idea of a biological continuity of peoples over the centuries.

In fact it became famous when scholar Eugene Weber found out that in France, up until World War I there were many French peasants who didn't really see themselves as having a salient French identity - they lived life, rarely leaving their own villages, and didn't know much of the world outside their own villages.

It wouldn't be until the printing press where people could record oral traditions about their own identity, where nations begin to stop changing rapidly, but even then, the idea of aligning oneself to a Nation rather than a leader for a political or religious cause was all created when the importance of religion was destroyed in society from the French Revolution onwards.