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When will Rome be in the Church?

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Light of the East, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. ☦Marius☦

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    Lol have you ever heard liberal Catholics and conservative Catholics talk about each other?
     
  2. ArmyMatt

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    you were enrolled in the catechumenate?
     
  3. ml5363

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    Yes they were based off of Christ's teachings...not a hierachy
     
  4. Anhelyna

    Anhelyna Handmaid of God CF Senior Ambassador Supporter

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    Some direct questions which may help others as they respond to you

    1) Have you been able to attend any Orthodox Churches ?
    2) Have you been able to contact an Orthodox Priest ?
    3) Have you been able to attend any Eastern Catholic Churches ?
    4) Have you been able to contact any priest - Catholic [ Eastern or Latin ] or Orthodox ?
     
  5. Stabat

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    nm.
     
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  6. SingularityOne

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    Christ’s teachings (The Faith) are maintained in their fullness in the Orthodox Church. The Catholic Church added to the faith and Protestant’s have taken away from the faith. The hierarchy isn’t the problem, however, hierarchy is something that inherent in creation, but I will not get into that topic at the moment as it would be a digression.
     
  7. SingularityOne

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    This does not nullify the fact that the Faith is maintained in it’s fullness in the Orthodox Church. The Catholic Church added to the faith and Protestant’s have taken away from the faith. It’s a matter of the Theology that has been maintained throughout all the ages unchanged (not added to).

    We can disagree with one another, but that doesn’t mean that The Mind of the Church changes within the Heart of the Orthodox Church. The Heart of the Catholic Church has deviated from the Mind of the Church in it’s teachings/dogmatics. The Catholic Church is in schism.

    However, I will agree that it is “by their fruits that you will know them”, but as the goal of a Christian is to crucify one’s mind/heart to the Mind of the Church, then The Mind of the Church should be the one that has been maintained in it’s fullness throughout the ages.

    Edit: as I always like to point out... the early Church was conciliar, not papal run.
     
  8. prodromos

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    Because we are all sinful people in the Church, you will always have squabbles and fights. The fact that we are still one despite all that is testimony to the truth of the Orthodox faith.
     
  9. Stabat

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  10. SingularityOne

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    Maybe I wasn’t clear enough... The Mind of the Church (which was developed in a conciliar fashion) is “the central control” within the maintained Theology of The Church. One’s goal as a Christian is to crucify one’s own mind to The Truth. The Truth has been maintained in The Orthodox Church even if there is discord within The Church. This discord is nothing new. God willing, there will be unity someday, but until then I must trust the Holy Spirit within the Church that has been maintained throughout all the ages through prayer, my spiritual father, and other elders that God has blessed me with within the Church. I know where The Holy Spirit is, but I cannot say where it is not, at the end of the day though.

    Edit: I will not reply on this thread about this anymore since it is not the correct place to debate. If you would like to open a debate thread in Justin Martyr’s, then I would be willing to debate your stance.
     
  11. ArmyMatt

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    Church history shows otherwise. what is going on with these little schisms and excommunications had happened long before East and West split.
     
  12. ArmyMatt

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    we don't have a lack of central control. for us, it's Christ and not the guy in Rome.

    and to say that we are guilty of folks having many different answers is not an argument to make. both Michael Moore and Pope Benedict XVI are Catholics in good standing (or at least I know Moore was). I am pretty sure if you asked both the theology behind where they stand on gay "marriage," abortion, and women's ordination you'd get two different answers.
     
  13. Ioustinos

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    Disagreements have occurred within the Church since it's existence. That shouldn't discourage you from its truth. Any family is going to have disagreements, but that doesn't mean its not family.

    I noticed your religious designation is "Traditional Catholic". That just points to the fact that even within the Roman Catholic Church there is disagreement and discord. As Marius noted, here in the US there is a huge battle occurring within the Catholic Church between traditional, conservative Catholics and liberal Catholics. Many are even opposed to Pope Francis because he is seen to be very liberal and contradicting Church teaching. For an example, you are SSPX - bring up the Latin Rite vs Novos Ordo of Vatican II amongst Catholics and grab your popcorn. It's like the Apostle Paul before the Sanhedrin.

    So Roman Catholicism is not as black and white as you state - its just as messy as Orthodoxy.
     
  14. Al Masihi

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    I'm talking about things officially, not individual Catholics.
     
  15. Al Masihi

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    Not, yet, because theres no way I could do so.
     
  16. Al Masihi

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    I'd unfortunately have to answer no to all of those questions. And it will be like that for a few years.
     
  17. Stabat

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  18. Stabat

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  19. ArmyMatt

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    so then you aren't a catechumen.
     
  20. ArmyMatt

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    that's just not true. there are Irish Catholic parishes which banned German Catholics simply because they weren't Irish Catholics, and let's not open what Byzantine Catholics have had to endure.

    there is nothing that you can point at us that we can't point right back. simply having a Pope hasn't really helped for actual unity.
     
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