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when was satan cast from heaven

Discussion in 'Questions by Non-Christians (Archived)' started by Kristy, Sep 3, 2002.

  1. Kristy

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    Ok The bible starts out with the creation. So that leaves me to assume that satan was cast out of heaven after wards.

    If there was no sin before Adam and Eve ate from the tree then where did the serpent come from? How were they tempted if sin did exsist yet?
    And if satan wasnt cast out yet who put the sin there?
     
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  2. Angelo

    Angelo Warrior of Zion

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    Well I don't know when exactly he was cast out. But I assume it was around the time of the ice age. He was cast out and convinced people to worshipp him. God must have then unleashed his wrath onto the world in the form of the ice age. Which explains why the Dinosaurs were wiped out. I believe the serpent was just a clever creature, not necessarily Satan himself. I could be wrong though, as I have not read Genesis yet.
     
  3. IslandBreeze

    IslandBreeze Caribbean Queen

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    We're not sure how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before they sinned. My guess is that he was thrown out of heaven sometime during the time period that Adam and Eve were created, and the time that they sinned.
     
  4. sola fide

    sola fide neo-Puritan

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    This is a very "if'ie" question. It's one that's not explicitly answered in scripture, so it's one you may have to accept as somewhat a mystery, not chosen as necessary for God to reveal. You'll run into many questions like that as you seek the truth of God.
    We do know, however, that there were most likely created things before the actual account of the creation of the temporal things that we can see. I believe...this is not fact I remind you...that angelic beings were created by God before human creation. We know that angelic beings existed soley for the glorification of God, as in Isaiah 6.
    Satan could have been cast out before creation...I remind you this is speculation b/c I do not want to step one step closer to heresy. Being cast out of heaven could simply mean He was banished from the immediate presence of God. But we also know from the book of Job that Satan still had open conversation with the Father after his banishment from Heaven. So it's possible that He could have been on the earth as early as creation. And that he was waiting for the perfect moment to seek His revenge on man and God by tempting the being which God loved, unlike himself.
    Please don't take my word for it on this subject...I'm reluctant to even post this b/c I don't know it to be true.
    My only advice is that you search out the Scriptures...I've accepted that the answer to this question is a MYSTERY, and I'm content with that, because it is of no great significance to our well-being. Sometimes it's better just to admit that scripture doesn't give a clear answer on a subject, rather than dig to fallible human reason or implicit teachings.
    God bless.

    To God alone be the glory!
     
  5. LightBearer

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    The casting out of Satan is mentioned in the book of Revelation. This book Starts out with the words "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place". The book was writen around 96 C.E. So Satan could not have been cast out prior to this date. So I think we can rule out the Ice Age and all other theories prior to 96 C.E.
     
  6. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

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    Check the CF archives. This question has been asked and answered about eigth times.
     
  7. tacoman528

    tacoman528 Member

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    Sorry Angelo, but I somewhat disagree with your statement. Go to www-drdino-com and look up the Hovind theory. I don't think there ever was an ice age because there isn't one in the bible. I also don't think there was any coldness for a long time because "cold" isn't mentioned until quite late after the flood. And most certainly think that God didn't cause the ice age right after Adam and Eve's downfall because that wasn't one of his curses. Plus, how could Cain grow anything much in an Ice Age (Genesis 3 & 4).

    I believe that angels were created on the very day that Light was created. Possibly the third day when the stars were created. I think that Satan rebelled between then and the time he inhabits the Serpent. You may think this can't be true but if you think about it, the Bible never says how long Adam and Eve spent in the Garden. Possibly hundreds of years. During that time Satan Rebelled and was cast down to earth along with 1/3 of other rebellious angels. To learn why he was cast down, check out Ezekiel 28:13 - 19
     
  8. seangoh

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    There is evidence to believe that the ice age occured after the great flood of Noah. This excerpt is from a website to give you a brief idea.

    "It is estimated that 50 000 volcanoes (The mid-Atlantic Ridge and The Pacific ring of fire) were active at this time. The volcanoes spewed vast amounts of volcanic ash into the air, thus shielding the sun and causing a rapid drop in temperature."

    http://64.180.102.203/catastrophy.html
     
  9. tacoman528

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    There could have been somewhat of an ice age AFTER the flood. Check out www-drdino-com for more info
     
  10. EPHRIAM777

    EPHRIAM777 A REAL NICE GUY..!

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    Kristy said

    Ok The bible starts out with the creation. So that leaves me to assume that satan was cast out of heaven after wards.

    Eph writes..

    It's hard to nail down the exact "time elapsed" so easily..Satan at one time was called "Lucifer"..He was in the Garden of Eden first as a "good angel"...By the time we meet up with him in GEN 3...he is in his fallen state and his name was changed to Satan...Jesus claimed to have seen him FALL from Heaven as lightning...so he was in heaven also first as a good angel...How much time that passed during that good to bad change is not really so easy to figure out...!

    Kristy says..

    If there was no sin before Adam and Eve ate from the tree then where did the serpent come from? How were they tempted if sin did exsist yet?
    And if satan wasnt cast out yet who put the sin there?

    Eph writes...

    There was no sin of ADAM as of yet...thats different from saying no sin..at all..!

    I could say there wa no SIN commited by Adam and Eve as of yet...but that doesn't have to mean there was NO sin at all commited ever...!

    Lucifer rebelled..and then his name was changed to Satan...THEN he decieved Eve and Eve gave to Adam and Adam sinned...thats the order God has given us..of how WE all ended up in the condition we're in...!

    :)
     
  11. LightBearer

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    He could not have been cast out prior to the days of Job either because at this time he still had access to heaven.


    Job 1:6 "Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them".
     
  12. patrice_kell

    patrice_kell New Member

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    I am pretty srue that satan was cast out of heaven before creation when the angels battled in heaven. Satan and a third of the angels were cast out. It is mentioned in Revelations even though it did happen before creation. I will do more reseach and get back to you.
     
  13. ABDIarise

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    Would you be referring to Ken or kevin Hovind? I think that is right. I watched his videos, but I think he is entirely wrong. Much of what he has done is speculation. I think Peter speaks of the world that then was, so we cannot say there wasn't an ice age with any authority.
     
  14. onajourney87

    onajourney87 Contributor

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    No, I don't think so...

    Genesis 1:31
    God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.

    God made the angels as well, so Lucifer must have fallen after the Creation week(unless I'm missing something).

    osm
     
  15. Alan S.

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    Mmmhm.
     
  16. Ben_Hur

    Ben_Hur Me at the Races...

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    I would strongly suggest you refrain from referring people to Hovind in the future. While he may be correct in many areas, he is wrong in others and has proved to be an unreliable (in some cases deceitful) appologist. Trying to use Hovind in a discussion with evolutionists is the start of a horribly rapid end to the discussion. The man just doesn't seem to care to be a good steward of his ministry. Sad really.
     
  17. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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  18. faiththatbreathes

    faiththatbreathes right hand mam

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    I believe the angels were made before Creation week, as he made man after "our image":

    26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." (Gen. 1:26)


    And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. (Gen. 3:22)

    and then, of course, Satan's right there, "craftier than any of the wild animals" God had made:'

    1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" (Gen. 3:1)

    Plus, he posted an angel to guard Eden after expelling Adam and Eve:

    24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. (Gen. 3:24)

    All this without mentioning the creation of angels!

    Perhaps He had already created such things as angels, and Satan had already fallen from pride, before the creation of Earth, and simply did not make it included in the Bible. I'm sure there is some reason to this; it was irrelevant and would only encourage an obssession with something supernatural other than God; it simply had nothing to do with man, I don't know. Maybe we only needed an account to start from the creation of our world (and possibly dimension, I'm confusing myself) and there was about as much possibility of describing the creation of angels as there is of explaining color to a blind man.

    1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

    2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
    (Gen. 2:1-4)

    That's it. It's an account of the heavens and the earth when THEY were created. Not necessarily anything besides the heavens and the earth. But how would I know? You'd do best to ask some more researched person....
     
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