When the people will say "Peace and Safety!"

[R. Hartono]

Until now, at this end of times, the Jews still do not believe that Jesus is the real Messiah, the devil know this and will use this opportunity to present his antichrist as the Messiah to rule Israel and the world from Jerusalem.

The fake messiah will build the 3rd temple beside the mosque as the symbol of "peace".
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:

The court is where the mosque in now built.

1 Thes 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

This destruction after peace will happen after the antichrist is launched with the 1st seal opening to make 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arab enemies (2 States Solution) and other parts of the world (the devil will stop the war he is making), which will begin the final 70th week of Daniel/ 7 YEARS OF GREAT TRIBULATION WILL BEGIN WITH "PEACE".

Jerusalem shall be made an int'l city by the UN
Rev 11:2 ...and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

After that short moment of fake peace people will yell :"Peace and Safety !"
They saw peace made by the "messiah" in the M.E. and the world, the Temple of God side by side with the mosque as the symbol of Peace in an int'l city owned by all nations (Jerusalem), what else would people be expecting ?

Then all of a sudden, after a short period of peace, peace will be removed from the world
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

2 Thes 2:10 THEY PERISH BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH AND SO BE SAVED.

THE WORLD IS NOW PUSHING ISRAEL TO ACCEPT THE TWO STATE SOLUTIONS AND DIVIDE JERUSALEM WITHOUT ANY GOOD RESULT.
There will be no peace until the antichrist (the prince) comes and make the 7 years covenant
between Israel and Arab enemies.
Dan 9:26...and the PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; 27 And he (the ROMAN PRINCE) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

History shows there has never been any 7 years covenant between Israel and their Arab enemies, so this ONE WEEK COVENANT IS THE FINAL WEEK OF DANIEL which is the final 7 years of Great Tribulation.

Antichrist cannot make the 7 years peace covenant before the 1st seal is opened where he will be empowered to make peace.
Dan 8:25....and by peace shall destroy many..


Because antichrist is restrained now until the Holy Spirit is removed with the church
2 Thes 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the One who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.

The world is now expecting peace in M.E. especially between Israel-Arabs.

We are on the final moment of the end times where the antichrist looking at this situation will come up to seize the whole world, after the Holy Spirit and the church is taken to heaven.

 

[Larry Yoder]

When ever you hear Peace and Safety; “Look out” do not let your guard down, “Ever”!

 

[Douggg]

Until now, at this end of times, the Jews still do not believe that Jesus is the real Messiah, the devil know this and will use this opportunity to present his antichrist as the Messiah to rule Israel and the world from Jerusalem.

There is the possibility that the temple will be built next to the dome of the rock as a preliminary to the 7 years. But the construction will not be part of the confirming of the covenant for 7 years. 100% guaranteed.

In Ezekiel 39, there is 100% concrete evidence that the 7 years will follow Gog/Magog because of the feast on dead bodies in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast in Revelation 19. And verse 21 is Jesus speaking having returned to earth. The feast on Gog's army is separate and is 7 years earlier in Ezekiel 39:4.

The confirming of the covenant for 7 years and the saying of peace and safety are connected, because what it will be is a big speech from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever - by the Antichrist.

The big speech requirement was actually started by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel on the 7 year shmita cycle. Hasn't been done in recent memory because of the restrictions on the Jews of what they can do on the temple mount. One of the requirements Moses set was that the speech confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant has to be done from the place of God's choosing which Jew take to be the temple mount.

The 7 years of Daniel 9 follow Gog/Magog which will end Islam. After Gog/Magog, the Jews and the world will think they have entered the messianic age and will be saying peace and safety as a result.

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Before the real 7 years of Daniel 9:27, there may be a 7 year element to some agreement to build the temple next the dome of the rock, as a fake out - that could leave a lot of bible prophecy students stractching their heads.

 

[seventysevens]

Before the real 7 years of Daniel 9:27, there may be a 7 year element to some agreement to build the temple next the dome of the rock, as a fake out - that could leave a lot of bible prophecy students stractching their heads.

Where did this come from ?

 

[Douggg]

Where did this come from ?

In 2thessalonians2:3 there will be a great falling away from Christianity (implied). So something has to cause that. Which I am certain will be that it will appear following Gog/Magog, that the Jews were right all along regarding the messiah being someone other than Jesus. The person, the Antichrist, will have arrived in Israel following Gog/Magog and will look everything like what the Jews are expecting. He will appeared to have taken a stand to defend Israel against the threat of Gog/Magog. He will be a great political leader. And his religion Judaism, and will be into Jewish mysticism. And the timing will be right in Judaism's eyes.

Whether there is a fake-out 7 years or not, part of building a temple next to the dome, I am only stating as a possibility.....which if it happens will leave some bible students perplexed.

The reason being three and half years go by from the 7 year initiation date (of the fake out) and no abomination of desolation nor claim of being God.... is going to make it seem that the Christian view of eschatology about the Antichrist is a bust. And the person is the real messiah after all. Which in turn may cause many to leave Christianity.

When the actual confirmation of the covenant takes place - the big speech from the temple mount, there might not even be mention of the 7 years shmita cycle - although most likely it will be part of the speech and referring back to Moses.

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I have considered this before R Hartone made his post - of a fake out 7 years.

 

[seventysevens]

Ok

I am beginning to think the apostasy is not a falling away from Christianity but rather a falling away from sound Christian doctrinal teachings as the world of atheist countries are now accepting Jesus as savoir in big numbers and growing quickly - I see no falling away from Christianity in any way but in extremely small amounts caused by people being hurt by other Christians - getting angry cause someone offended them - countries like China are accepting Christ in growing numbers and with various other prophecies being fulfilled I don't see a fulfillment of the idea that a lot of people would fall away from Christ - if they truly belong to Christ to begin with - there are people who profess to be Christian but choose not to serve Christ but just serve them self - it one thing to profess to be Christian and yet another to actually live it

In 2thessalonians2:3 there will be a great falling away from Christianity (implied). So something has to cause that. Which I am certain will be that it will appear following Gog/Magog, that the Jews were right all along regarding the messiah being someone other than Jesus. The person, the Antichrist, will have arrived in Israel following Gog/Magog and will look everything like what the Jews are expecting. He will appeared to have taken a stand to defend Israel against the threat of Gog/Magog. He will be a great political leader. And his religion Judaism, and will be into Jewish mysticism.

Whether there is a fake-out 7 years or not, part of building a temple next to the dome, I am only stating as a possibility.....which if it happens will leave some bible students perplexed.

The reason being three and half years go by from the 7 year initiation date (of the fake out) and no abomination of desolation.... is going to make it seem that the Christian view of eschatology about the Antichrist is a bust. And the person is the real messiah after all. Which in turn may cause many to leave Christianity.

When the actual confirmation of the covenant takes place - the big speech from the temple mount, there might not even be mention of the 7 years shmita cycle - although most likely it will be part of the speech and referring back to Moses.

 

[R. Hartono]

the Antichrist, He will appeared to have taken a stand to defend Israel against the threat of Gog/Magog.

I guess the antichrist will steal the glory of God which will be revealed when Gog cs try to invade Israel as many as sands on the beach.
May be he will claim that God will send down fire to protect Israel and when it happens, he takes the credit for him.

But the Holy Spirit will be removed be4 the war of Gog n Magog, because in order for The God of Old Yahwe to return with His fierce Hands destroying wicked nations (as He did in OT times) the Holy Spirit and the true church/believers must be taken to heaven first (the great multitude), and then the antichrist shall be revealed by the 1st seal opening to make "peace" which will start the 7 years Tribulation/the final week of Daniel.

 

[Douggg]

I guess the antichrist will steal the glory of God which will be revealed when Gog cs try to invade Israel as many as sands on the beach.
May be he will claim that God will send down fire to protect Israel and when it happens, he takes the credit for him.

But the Holy Spirit will be removed be4 the war of Gog n Magog, because in order for The God of Old Yahwe to return with His fierce Hands destroying wicked nations (as He did in OT times) the Holy Spirit and the true church/believers must be taken to heaven first (the great multitude), and then the antichrist shall be revealed by the 1st seal opening to make "peace" which will start the 7 years Tribulation/the final week of Daniel.

Here is what the Jews are expecting in their messiah. He will have to meet their expectations. From the Judaism101.org site......

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.
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The person who becomes the Antichrist does so by being anointed the King of Israel - instead of and against the rightful King of Israel - Jesus.

Later, around 3 years 3 months into his reign, he goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood, revealing himself as the man of sin. The Jews will be mortified, disown him as continuing as their King - ending his time as the Antichrist.

He will be killed for his act, and in disdain for the person, God, bring him back to life, at which time the person takes on the persona as the beast.

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It is common, but wrong, that most people use the term of the Antichrist in a blanket fashion for the person the entire 7 years. When he is not in that role except for when he is the King of Israel (illegitimate).

Referring to the person always as the Antichrist - is like a color blind person seeing things, some things as being the same shade of gray - when in fact those things may be completely different colors, but may appear to be the same in gray tone.

The person begins as the little horn,
then becomes the prince who shall come,
then becomes the Antichrist,
then becomes the revealed man of sin,
then becomes the beast.

 

[keras]

When ever you hear Peace and Safety; “Look out” do not let your guard down, “Ever”!

This is likely to be the case soon after America and Saudi Arabia enforce a settlement onto the Palestinians.
That will be the time when Iran and the Islamic haters of Israel will think they can take Israel unawares and do what they really want to do; 'wipe Israel off the map'.
Then, as 1 Thess 5:3 says: sudden destruction will be upon them. The Lord will send fire and destroy them all, the Middle East will be virtually depopulated. Amos 1, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +

 

[R. Hartono]

This is likely to be the case soon after America and Saudi Arabia enforce a settlement onto the Palestinians.
That will be the time when Iran and the Islamic haters of Israel will think they can take Israel unawares and do what they really want to do; 'wipe Israel off the map'.
Then, as 1 Thess 5:3 says: sudden destruction will be upon them. The Lord will send fire and destroy them all, the Middle East will be virtually depopulated. Amos 1, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +

Are you referring to Gog n Magog invasion ?

 

[keras]

Are you referring to Gog n Magog invasion ?

No, I am not. The G/M attack will happen after all the Lord's Christian people are settled into all of the holy land. They/we, are living there in peace and prosperity, blessed by the Lord and undefended. He will use this attack to demonstrate His power to us and the world. Ezekiel 38:23...then we will know He is the Lord; must be and is, BEFORE Jesus Returns.

The event I refer to is the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will change the world, but will mostly affect the Middle east; virtually depopulating the entire area. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2 Peter 3:7, +
This is His sending fire, the literal Day of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis, caused by a massive explosion of the suns surface. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3, Amos 1,+
It will be the next prophesied event. We should know about it and be prepared, spiritually and physically.

 

[R. Hartono]

That will be the time when Iran and the Islamic haters of Israel will think they can take Israel unawares and do what they really want to do; 'wipe Israel off the map'.

I guess they will rely on a very large numbers of nations to fight Israel alone:
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

 

[keras]

I guess they will rely on a very large numbers of nations to fight Israel alone:
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

No, once again, you have confused the next attack on Israel; Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12, with the later G/M attack.
The forthcoming attack of an Islamic confederation onto the State of Israel, will be stopped at its commencement by the Lord. He will send fire to destroy them all. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, the Sixth Seal devastation of the Middle East. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 and a world wide disaster. Zephaniah 3:8

2, Peter 3:7​

Interestingly, the G/M attack, against the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, will be with old style weapons as described, as the Lord says He will destroy all weapons of war at the Sixth Seal, by the fire of His wrath. A Coronal Mass Ejection and the Electro-Magnetic Pulse associated with it will explode anything containing explosives and destroy all electrical systems. Hosea 2:18, Micah 5:10-11, Amos 5:9, Jeremiah 25:32, Psalms 46:9, Psalms 76:3

 

[R. Hartono]

No, once again, you have confused the next attack on Israel; Psalm 83,

We should not overlook the 6 days war 1967 as the Psalm 83 war :
Psalm 83: The Six-Day War - UNSEALED - World News | Christian News | Prophecy Updates

 

[keras]

We should not overlook the 6 days war 1967 as the Psalm 83 war :

Just a simple, straightforward reading of Psalms 83:1-18, is enough to refute that idea.
What happened in 1967 was a conventional war, even though the Israelis did seem to have some supernatural help, that was nothing like what the Lord will do soon.

 

[R. Hartono]

What happened in 1967 was a conventional war,

It wasn't just a conventional war but a very important war that should be prophesied in Psalm because the Jews claimed back Jerusalem after 2000 years.