When Might the Lord Himself Arrive?

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The Bible tells us that the Lord Himself will make his appearance to earth, and when He does, the people then will witness the world and the heavens as they knew them, will no longer exist. To give perspective, 2 Peter 3:10 says “...the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Similarly, Isaiah 34:4 says “All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll...”

And when this transformation happens, God as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 will first raise up those who’ve been asleep to be with Him, and then He will bring with Him those who are alive at His arrival. But not everyone will be with God, for as Jesus foretells in Matthew 25:31-46 He will arrange for a decision to be made as to who is worthy enough to be with God and who isn’t. Jesus says that those who helped the least of God’s people will join him, as in helping them it’s as if they were helping God as well. Those who do not help the least of God’s people will not join Him, since in not helping those, they did not help God.

And although we are told that 2 Peter 3:10 says the Lord will come unannounced, we may have some idea of approximately when He will arrive, give or take, say, a hundred years or so, based on the things that are told in the Bible.

Moses in Deuteronomy 7:9 – says, “Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, TO A THOUSAND GENERATIONS.” Well, what happens after the thousand generations have passed? I tell you that it is at that point in time that God will physically make himself known and will change the physical world and the heavens and bring with him the good people described in Matthew 25:31-40.

How long is a generation? Since the Creation, it has varied from 18 to 35 years, on average, so let’s say it’s about 22 years. That is, it takes a woman about 22 years from the time she is born to the time she gives birth herself. So, if we use 22 years as being a generation, then “a thousand generations” amounts to about 22 thousand years.

When did Moses make his proclamation in Deuteronomy 7:9? It is popularly believed to be at around the time of the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses II. Ramses II was born in 1303 BC and died 1213 BC, so, for lack of a better measure, Moses made his proclamation at around 1348 BC. So, 22,000 years from then would put the time at about 23,348 AD.

As you can see, we still may have a long ways to go before the Lord does what He is predicted in the Bible to do, and anyone reading this now would have long passed away, to become those who may be awakened as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. But the big question is, how can we make sure that the people who are alive at the Lord’s presence will know who He is and will be worthy enough for Him? For without a continuous reinforcement of God’s existence throughout the remaining of the thousand generations, the people may be gradually overcome by the evil in the world, so no one born later from our time would be worthy of God. That’s why it is important that we keep our faith strong and see to it that our children keep the faith in the same manner, enough to pass it on to their children, and so on, as it has been done in the past.

But we cannot keep up our faith unless we do the things our faith tells us to do, such as loving God with all our heart, soul and mind, and loving others as we love ourselves, and doing the things which are natural extensions of these two commands. In this regard, Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:21 that it is not enough to say “Lord, Lord,” we must also do God’s Will. Our faith alone, per se, will not save us, unless we have works. James 2:17 says, “faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

So hopefully, when the Lord does appear thousands of years from now, there will be people in the future who are worthy enough to be with Him, as there are people in the past.
 

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The Bible tells us that the Lord Himself will make his appearance to earth, and when He does, the people then will witness the world and the heavens as they knew them, will no longer exist. To give perspective, 2 Peter 3:10 says “...the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Similarly, Isaiah 34:4 says “All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll...”

And when this transformation happens, God as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 will first raise up those who’ve been asleep to be with Him, and then He will bring with Him those who are alive at His arrival. But not everyone will be with God, for as Jesus foretells in Matthew 25:31-46 He will arrange for a decision to be made as to who is worthy enough to be with God and who isn’t. Jesus says that those who helped the least of God’s people will join him, as in helping them it’s as if they were helping God as well. Those who do not help the least of God’s people will not join Him, since in not helping those, they did not help God.

And although we are told that 2 Peter 3:10 says the Lord will come unannounced, we may have some idea of approximately when He will arrive, give or take, say, a hundred years or so, based on the things that are told in the Bible.

Moses in Deuteronomy 7:9 – says, “Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, TO A THOUSAND GENERATIONS.” Well, what happens after the thousand generations have passed? I tell you that it is at that point in time that God will physically make himself known and will change the physical world and the heavens and bring with him the good people described in Matthew 25:31-40.

How long is a generation? Since the Creation, it has varied from 18 to 35 years, on average, so let’s say it’s about 22 years. That is, it takes a woman about 22 years from the time she is born to the time she gives birth herself. So, if we use 22 years as being a generation, then “a thousand generations” amounts to about 22 thousand years.

When did Moses make his proclamation in Deuteronomy 7:9? It is popularly believed to be at around the time of the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses II. Ramses II was born in 1303 BC and died 1213 BC, so, for lack of a better measure, Moses made his proclamation at around 1348 BC. So, 22,000 years from then would put the time at about 23,348 AD.

As you can see, we still may have a long ways to go before the Lord does what He is predicted in the Bible to do, and anyone reading this now would have long passed away, to become those who may be awakened as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. But the big question is, how can we make sure that the people who are alive at the Lord’s presence will know who He is and will be worthy enough for Him? For without a continuous reinforcement of God’s existence throughout the remaining of the thousand generations, the people may be gradually overcome by the evil in the world, so no one born later from our time would be worthy of God. That’s why it is important that we keep our faith strong and see to it that our children keep the faith in the same manner, enough to pass it on to their children, and so on, as it has been done in the past.

But we cannot keep up our faith unless we do the things our faith tells us to do, such as loving God with all our heart, soul and mind, and loving others as we love ourselves, and doing the things which are natural extensions of these two commands. In this regard, Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:21 that it is not enough to say “Lord, Lord,” we must also do God’s Will. Our faith alone, per se, will not save us, unless we have works. James 2:17 says, “faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

So hopefully, when the Lord does appear thousands of years from now, there will be people in the future who are worthy enough to be with Him, as there are people in the past.

Could be as you say … or not. I doubt it though, can’t imagine the planet and mankind “holding out” that long. I’d say it should be taken as “many generations” or maybe forever.


dor: period, generation, dwelling

Original Word: דּוֹר

Part of Speech: Noun Masculine

Transliteration: dor

Phonetic Spelling: (dore)

Definition: period, generation, dwelling

NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin

from dur

Definition

period, generation, dwelling

NASB Translation

age-old (1), all generations (20), another (1), dwelling (1), every generation (1), forever (1), generation (53), generations (52), kind (4), many generations (3), nor (1), time (2).
 
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All of these prediction stuff needs to be useless to me. I see how it can be useful to some folk but at the end of day it really doesn’t matter.

It matters, because when He arrives and people in the future have no faith in Him, they will go to hell. If you are God-fearing and you want the blessings of your faith to carry to future generations, it is important that future generations are prepared when He arrives.

And if He doesn't arrive until thousands of years from now, there is plenty of time to devote to preparing for His arrival.
 
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It matters, because when He arrives and people in the future have no faith in Him, they will go to hell.

That’s why we have the great commission. Not trying to understand prophecy in which we don’t know if our interpretation is correct until the event actually happens.
 
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The Bible tells us that the Lord Himself will make his appearance to earth, and when He does, the people then will witness the world and the heavens as they knew them, will no longer exist. To give perspective, 2 Peter 3:10 says “...the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Similarly, Isaiah 34:4 says “All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll...”

And when this transformation happens, God as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 will first raise up those who’ve been asleep to be with Him, and then He will bring with Him those who are alive at His arrival. But not everyone will be with God, for as Jesus foretells in Matthew 25:31-46 He will arrange for a decision to be made as to who is worthy enough to be with God and who isn’t. Jesus says that those who helped the least of God’s people will join him, as in helping them it’s as if they were helping God as well. Those who do not help the least of God’s people will not join Him, since in not helping those, they did not help God.

And although we are told that 2 Peter 3:10 says the Lord will come unannounced, we may have some idea of approximately when He will arrive, give or take, say, a hundred years or so, based on the things that are told in the Bible.

Moses in Deuteronomy 7:9 – says, “Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, TO A THOUSAND GENERATIONS.” Well, what happens after the thousand generations have passed? I tell you that it is at that point in time that God will physically make himself known and will change the physical world and the heavens and bring with him the good people described in Matthew 25:31-40.

How long is a generation? Since the Creation, it has varied from 18 to 35 years, on average, so let’s say it’s about 22 years. That is, it takes a woman about 22 years from the time she is born to the time she gives birth herself. So, if we use 22 years as being a generation, then “a thousand generations” amounts to about 22 thousand years.

When did Moses make his proclamation in Deuteronomy 7:9? It is popularly believed to be at around the time of the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses II. Ramses II was born in 1303 BC and died 1213 BC, so, for lack of a better measure, Moses made his proclamation at around 1348 BC. So, 22,000 years from then would put the time at about 23,348 AD.

As you can see, we still may have a long ways to go before the Lord does what He is predicted in the Bible to do, and anyone reading this now would have long passed away, to become those who may be awakened as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. But the big question is, how can we make sure that the people who are alive at the Lord’s presence will know who He is and will be worthy enough for Him? For without a continuous reinforcement of God’s existence throughout the remaining of the thousand generations, the people may be gradually overcome by the evil in the world, so no one born later from our time would be worthy of God. That’s why it is important that we keep our faith strong and see to it that our children keep the faith in the same manner, enough to pass it on to their children, and so on, as it has been done in the past.

But we cannot keep up our faith unless we do the things our faith tells us to do, such as loving God with all our heart, soul and mind, and loving others as we love ourselves, and doing the things which are natural extensions of these two commands. In this regard, Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:21 that it is not enough to say “Lord, Lord,” we must also do God’s Will. Our faith alone, per se, will not save us, unless we have works. James 2:17 says, “faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

So hopefully, when the Lord does appear thousands of years from now, there will be people in the future who are worthy enough to be with Him, as there are people in the past.
If we read what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4, and put those together with the description in Revelation, we see a clear process of events leading to the finality of human history. the purpose of these prophecies is not to confuse, but to make things very clear.

Firstly, there is going to be a rapture, where the dead in Christ shall rise first, then those who are alive will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and they will go to heaven to be with the Lord.

Next will come the great tribulation where the AntiChrist will be revealed, and there will be many converted in Israel through the testimony of the two witnesses and the angel flying through the air preaching the gospel, Some of these will be martyred, but many will flee to the wilderness to a place of protection where God has prepared for them.

After that, Christ will appear in person, accompanied by all those who were raised and caught up with Him, and there will be the battle of Armageddon, where all the unbelievers will be killed. Jesus will set up His throne and reign in Jerusalem for 1000 years. He will be joined by those believers from the wilderness who had escaped the massacre by the AntiChrist.

After the 1000 year reign, the unbelieving dead will be raised to judgment.

After that, the heavens and the earth will be destroyed, and a new heavens and earth will be created without sin and there, the believers will live with Christ for the rest of eternity.

This is just a thumbnail sketch. John MacArthur gives an excellent series of teaching on end times, and he is well worth viewing on Youtube. He makes all this so clear and Bible-based.
 
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I remember several years ago when one day after a thunderstorm the sun came out, but I noticed something very different had happened.

As the clouds moved away and the sun came out, both the angle of the Sun and the humidity of the atmosphere was at just the correct angle of the light, and the correct percent of humidity, so that the sunlight coming through that humidity turned everything it touched to the color of gold.

My neighbor's white house was golden, my cedar tree in the front yard (both bark and cedar boughs) was golden, my red car with black tires and chrome trim was all golden, even the sky itself was golden.

I ran out onto the porch and looked around, and the whole neighborhood was golden. I was so happy, because I thought that it was finally time, but it wasn't.

The effect went away after about 30 minutes, but I'll never forget how wonderful it was.
 
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Could be as you say … or not. I doubt it though, can’t imagine the planet and mankind “holding out” that long. I’d say it should be taken as “many generations” or maybe forever.


dor: period, generation, dwelling

Original Word: דּוֹר

Part of Speech: Noun Masculine

Transliteration: dor

Phonetic Spelling: (dore)

Definition: period, generation, dwelling

NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin

from dur

Definition

period, generation, dwelling

NASB Translation

age-old (1), all generations (20), another (1), dwelling (1), every generation (1), forever (1), generation (53), generations (52), kind (4), many generations (3), nor (1), time (2).

The quote you quoted was from another poster not me ;o)
 
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Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:21 that it is not enough to say “Lord, Lord,” we must also do God’s Will. Our faith alone, per se, will not save us, unless we have works. James 2:17 says, “faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
Faith in regard to John 3:21, Eph.2:10, Phil.2:13.. is applied by the saved person. I am not advocating sloth or avoiding that.. however I am addressing the words "Our faith alone, per se, will not save us, unless we have works."

That is contrary to Eph.2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith.."

An already accomplished work in every believer.

"..and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, that no one should boast."

Clearly, salvation is not by works; so reading what James said has to be in context. However your statement is taking what he said out of context to apply it to the unbiblical concept of "salvation through works."
 
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