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When it comes to other religions, what is the bottom line?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Bee_Brian, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. JacksBratt

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    Then the Bible is wrong?

    Ecclesiastes 7:20 There is not a righteous person on earth who always does good and never sins.

    Psalm 130:3-5 Lord, if you punished people for all their sins, no one would be left,



    Romans 3:23New International Version (NIV)
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
     
  2. Standing Up

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    Peter was flabbergasted that God poured out His Spirit on gentiles. He's no respecter of persons (Jew or Gentile); that's the point.

    At the same time, Cornelius did hear and was saved. He wasn't left to his own devices. IOW, your Hindu person who is doing good deeds still will need to hear the Good News. Now, he might hear it here on earth or he might hear it afterwards.
     
  3. Tetra

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    No, it's not "safe to say". Only God knows the hearts of people, He will determine it. We do not know who will be in heaven or where ever. Sorry, we do not have that knowledge.
     
  4. Widlast

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    Lot of nonsense in that post.
    A good person who hasn't sinned? Other than Jesus, who would that be?
    How Christ deals with all of us is covered in detail in the gospels, did you miss it?
    Uh...
    There is no third choice.
     
  5. JacksBratt

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    You are right. It's not "safe to say".

    In fact it is absolutely true to say:

    Matthew 10:33King James Version (KJV)

    33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

    Last I knew, Atheists deny Christ, deny God, deny any god.


    There are no atheists in fox holes and there are no atheists that will be raptured and there are no atheists that will enter the kingdom of God.

    I don't care how good you are, how many good deeds you do or how much you donate to charity or how many hours you put in in the soup kitchen...

    Deny that there is a God, you will not enter heaven.
     
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  6. JacksBratt

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    There is hope for everybody and anybody. Christ is our hope and assurance.
     
  7. jimmyjimmy

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    Jesus asked if there were some other way. There wasn't. The cross was, and is, the only way. That's what Christians believe, and proclaim.
     
  8. Midnafan97

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    But would you give a third choice if you could?
     
  9. aus22

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    Catholics believe what is good in another religion come from God. So anyone who follows the good will be saved.
     
  10. Widlast

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    With God, or without God, those are the two choices. There are not, nor can there be, other choices.
     
  11. Midnafan97

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    The two choices were, with God or Hell.
    Instead of threatening the followers, why not give a choice that is more appealing and see if your followers will still follow you given the other choice?
     
  12. Rhonda Loeblein

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    We are saved by the grace of Jesus not the good things we do
     
  13. -57

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    With all due respect, when it comes to being saved you have absolutly no part in it. In fact prior to salvation you are dead in your sins and trespasses.
    Following what is "good" ...using your term...is a result, a by-product of ones salvation. NOT a means of acheiving salvation.

    You don't choose Jesus as your savior but rather Jesus chooses you.
     
  14. Midnafan97

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    You do have a point. But there is one man who had a large brain tumor in his brain. He was brain dead, but then after hours came back to life. He said he saw "Heaven" and "Hell". After he woke up, he was healed completely. The tumor was gone. His description was not like I'd ever imagine. The vision of hell that he had was actually what his brain was going through. The vision of heaven was a release from that tumor.
    There's also another boy who kept dying and coming back over and over again. He'd actually be able to see everyone and what they are saying before coming back in his body. He was a surfer guy, I think...
    I can try and find those documentaries so you can see. They both might be in the same documentary. I've watched a ton on these things. It's quite interesting.
     
  15. Midnafan97

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    The bible is written by man though. How can I trust what man says or writes?
     
  16. jimmyjimmy

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    I've found that not everyone is familiar with the rules here, so, just in case. Here's a section which pertains to "Christians Only" areas:

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  17. Standing Up

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    Here ...

    But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
    Mt. 19:26

    Hope that helps.
     
  18. yeshuaslavejeff

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    This is muddy now! NOT clear! - what does anything said earlier have to do with
    anything automatic or universal ?!
     
  19. Bumble Bee

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  20. Standing Up

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    The question of the OP is whether there's another choice besides the Christian bi-view of either heaven or hell.

    Some Christians agree there are only two choices. Either believe in Christ or you're off to hell. Other Christians will opine that other religions may have some salvific information in them. Perhaps it arises from the idea that someone who hasn't heard of Christ is automatically sent to hell seems a trifle unjust.

    I agree that there is in fact only one way to God (salvation); it is through Christ. Where I disagree is with the view that someone only has a choice while alive on earth. Those in Mt. 27:52-53 were dead and heard and raised to life. There is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob who are alive Mark 12:27. There are many other supporting Scriptures not only of people who were dead who are alive unto eternal life (saved), but of the principle involved.

    So, it may be muddy and off the path for those bound by tradition, but to me crystal clear and straight.
     
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