When is the big day?

[ZNP]

I put this in my blog. I was asked this question by a believer and I felt it was important to make sure everyone had this information.

 

[Tone]

"Who could have thought that all the churches
in the US could have their doors shut? If you had asked me one year ago if
that were possible I would have said no."

We are the temple, so you see how one stone (living stones) is not left upon another?

Is the temple being destroyed at this time?

 

[ZNP]

"Who could have thought that all the churches
in the US could have their doors shut? If you had asked me one year ago if
that were possible I would have said no."

We are the temple, so you see how one stone (living stones) is not left upon another?

Is the temple being destroyed at this time?

I like the story of Solomon's coronation. There were pretenders to the crown trying to usurp the throne from the Lord and there were lukewarm Christians who are apathetic and even think in their heart that the Lord delays His coming so they beat the saints. But when Jesus is crowned (typified by Solomon) with His faithful servants and the church in Philadelphia there everyone who was not there will be panicked. There will be those who realize the judgement they have mocked is now upon them, and there will be those believers who will be ashamed, running naked. The tribulation will sort them all out, who repents, and who doesn't.

 

[Tone]

So what does watching mean? Observing the moedim?

 

[ZNP]

The Lord said that the servant who is faithfully serving the Lord and feeding His people in the proper time would be blessed. He said that we are to have our lamps lit and filled with oil. He said that because the saints in the church in Philadelphia have kept the Lord's word and have not denied His name He will keep them out of the hour of trial.

We are to watch for His coming. He has given us the signs to watch. He describes the second coming as a thief in the night. Suppose half of all genuine Christians are taken in the rapture. That would be devastating to the world's economy which depends on their labor and taxes. It would also be a devastating loss to the Christian congregations that are left behind. For both groups they would have been "robbed".

However, what you see is many Christians are not watching. Instead they mock and ridicule any discussion about the rapture. The Lord mentioned this saying that some servants would say in their heart that the Lord delays His coming and beat their fellow servants.

 

[Tone]

He has given us the signs to watch.

Which sign are we watching for right now?

 

[ZNP]

There is one in particular that I think will hit very soon. According to Revelation 12 at the time of the rapture the Dragon sends out a flood to wipe out God's people who are then rescued on the wings of the great eagle. When the water breaks for a pregnant woman they call that the "rapture". If you look at China the three gorges dam is being threatened with collapse, if that were to happen it would create a terrible flood, but the "three gorges dam" could also be a reasonable way to describe the womb where the baby is when the water breaks.

Of course Joel talks of blood, fire and pillars of smoke which many have related to the pictures coming out of California and the west.

Joel also talks about this unique army, similar to locusts, that swarm the world, and if you look at it carefully it matches this pandemic, even talking about our use of social distancing as a defense against this swarm.

Obviously the Peace treaty with Israel and the arab nations is the biggest sign.

As far as signs in the heavens it doesn't make sense to me that this Yom Teruah was supposed to kick off a year of Jubilee when the very next new moon is a "super new moon". It seems the Essenes must be right that the correct date for Yom Teruah this year is Oct 16

 

[ZNP]

Which sign are we watching for right now?

 

[nolidad]

Which sign are we watching for right now?

Well events that are to happen before the 7 year tribulation begins are (in no order)

The Russian Alliance invasion of Israel and its destruction
POssible: The rebuilding of the Temple.
The rise of the antichrist
The rapture
Finally, the one that starts the last 7 years before Jesus' returns: the antichrist signing the 7 year covenant with Israel.

 

[Tone]

"Who could have thought that all the churches
in the US could have their doors shut? If you had asked me one year ago if
that were possible I would have said no."

We are the temple, so you see how one stone (living stones) is not left upon another?

Is the temple being destroyed at this time?

Or maybe this is all to show that we can never be broken by the enemy, but when destroyers do their best, His temple enlarges all the more.

 

[Timtofly]

Well events that are to happen before the 7 year tribulation begins are (in no order)

The Russian Alliance invasion of Israel and its destruction
POssible: The rebuilding of the Temple.
The rise of the antichrist
The rapture
Finally, the one that starts the last 7 years before Jesus' returns: the antichrist signing the 7 year covenant with Israel.

A 7 year covenant is not a timetable. It will be broken in 3 days. The last 9 years are happening now. The last 3.5 years, no longer exist.

 

[Douggg]

Which sign are we watching for right now?

What am watching is the EU, it's development to a ten leader structure with one leader over the ten, the little horn person.

 

[Douggg]

Well events that are to happen before the 7 year tribulation begins are (in no order)

The Russian Alliance invasion of Israel and its destruction
POssible: The rebuilding of the Temple.
The rise of the antichrist
The rapture
Finally, the one that starts the last 7 years before Jesus' returns: the antichrist signing the 7 year covenant with Israel.

The Russian Alliance invasion of Israel and its destruction - for Ezekiel 38 to happen
POssible: The rebuilding of the Temple. - maybe
The rise of the antichrist - rise of the little horn person
The rapture - anytime before the 2Thessalonains2:4 act.
Finally, the one that starts the last 7 years before Jesus' returns: the antichrist signing the 7 year covenant with Israel. - confirming of the Mt. Sinai covenant, a speech by the Antichrist from the temple mount, referring back to Deuteronomy 31:9:13.

 

[Jamdoc]

The Lord said that the servant who is faithfully serving the Lord and feeding His people in the proper time would be blessed. He said that we are to have our lamps lit and filled with oil. He said that because the saints in the church in Philadelphia have kept the Lord's word and have not denied His name He will keep them out of the hour of trial.

Caveat, the verse does not say keep them out, it says keep you from. That doesn't mean raptured out before tribulation as many people believe, necessarily. It can also mean that the Lord sustains you through them. First of all you're trying to associate these verses with yourself when they were written to a specific church in Asia minor. If indeed they are end times instructions for end times believers, than what makes you think you're the church of philadelphia, and not the church of smyrna? Smyrna also had no criticisms from Jesus, in fact Smyrna was only given encouragement. But the church of Smyrna was going to have a lot of martyrs.

We are to watch for His coming. He has given us the signs to watch. He describes the second coming as a thief in the night. Suppose half of all genuine Christians are taken in the rapture. That would be devastating to the world's economy which depends on their labor and taxes. It would also be a devastating loss to the Christian congregations that are left behind. For both groups they would have been "robbed".

Because He's also given signs, we're not to be overtaken as by a thief. It won't be out of the blue before the great tribulations, it will be after some prerequisite conditions are met, so that we can look up for our redemption draws near. The rapture will not happen before the Abomination of Desolation, Paul is clear on this in 2 Thessalonians 2.

However, what you see is many Christians are not watching. Instead they mock and ridicule any discussion about the rapture. The Lord mentioned this saying that some servants would say in their heart that the Lord delays His coming and beat their fellow servants.

Most Christians do not watch, because they believe in the doctrine of imminency and pretrib rapture. They think watching for the signs is pointless because they're going to be raptured out before they suffer any tribulation anyway, so what's the point, why watch for the antichrist? In their minds they'll be gone before he does anything. You stop watching if you think it can happen suddenly with no warning, your focus is on being ready at all times because it can happen when least expected. Which it's good to be ready, Jesus tells us to be ready. But He also tells us to watch, and gave us signs. So the doctrine of imminency destroys any need to watch.

 

[Jamdoc]

Which sign are we watching for right now?

The biggest sign to watch for is the abomination of desolation, Which is the antichrist going into the temple and declaring himself God and stopping daily sacrifices. That starts a countdown of 1290 days. (Daniel 12:11)
But for that to happen first we need to have daily sacrifices, which starts a countdown of 2300 days. We're also watching for the sacrifice of a kosher red heifer, the ashes of which are needed for purification according to numbers 19 (and we're talking about Christ rejecting Jews who still adhere to an animal sacrifice system, WE know that animal sacrifices are passed away, they don't believe it though), and the building of a 3rd temple or at least a tabernacle.
We're also watching for a covenant where people declare peace and safety/peace and security, which is actually ongoing right now with the Abraham accords, but I don't think that's at the final stages yet, more countries will have to sign onto it, it may be what gives Israel the right to perform sacrifices on the temple mount, or something along those lines.

 

[Jamdoc]

Well events that are to happen before the 7 year tribulation begins are (in no order)

The Russian Alliance invasion of Israel and its destruction

Russia is speculation, not confirmed, The confirmed would be Iran, Turkey, Libya, and Ethiopia, according to Ezekiel 38. Gog and Magog itself might be Russia, but isn't really specific, but most of the people groups mentioned in Ezekiel 38 are parts of modern Turkey.

POssible: The rebuilding of the Temple.

The very least is an altar that they use for sacrifices, but more likely at least a tabernacle will be required, if not a temple

The rise of the antichrist

this is in scripture yes, it's the false messiah, the rider on a white horse with the bow and no arrows, etc.

The rapture

According to scripture the rapture happens after the abomination of desolation and great tribulations, but is most likely to take place before the wrath of God. Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 6:12-17 show the same events and complete each other in Revelation giving the timing and what happens afterward, and Matthew 24 showing that that's when the saints are gathered. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 also nicely fits Matthew 24, and 2 Thessalonians 2 clarifies that it cannot happen until the man of sin is revealed. The interpretation that the great tribulation includes the 7 trumpets and 7 vials is error. That's the wrath of God. Tribulations are persecutions by the world. The great tribulations only begin at the halfway point in Daniel's 70th week, AFTER the abomination of desolation, which right off the bat, discards the '7 years tribulation' stance, as it's 3.5 years at the most, likely much shorter because Jesus Himself said those days would be shortened, by His coming, the gathering of the saints and it switches over from persecution of Christians to an unbelieving world being subjected to the wrath of God. The Rapture is the first event of His second coming, and His second coming, like His first coming was not just His birth, but all the events from His birth until His ascension to heaven. The second coming is all events from Him coming in the clouds and rapturing the saints, until the final judgement. That is ALL the 2nd coming. Matthew 24 is not describing Revelation 19, it's describing Revelation 6, and also 1 Thessalonians 4.

Finally, the one that starts the last 7 years before Jesus' returns: the antichrist signing the 7 year covenant with Israel.

 

[Lost4words]

People look for things that are not there. They make mountains out of molehills.

Put all of your trust in Jesus.

Again, Revelation is the most misinterpreted and misunderstood book in the Bible.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Hundred years from now there will be similar forums with similar people talking about this with just adding to the mix the particular “signs” of their time.

Mars colony is obviously the horn number 5 while those riots in moon city totally mean this or that.

Coming like thief in the night could be the stealth meteor those lunatic at Titan are threatening us with and what about........

And they will be so sure their interpretation is correct and wonder why others don’t see it and call them scoffers and whatever just like now.

When a Russian alliance invades Israel I will give thumbs up to everyone here that predicted it.

 

[Matt5]

I put this in my blog. I was asked this question by a believer and I felt it was important to make sure everyone had this information.

Your one big paragraph for 8 pages is not making it easy to read.

Things happen, people die, but "good" Christians don't have to be concerned with any it. They don't have to watch. They don't have to do anything. They get a free ticket out of here if they just read their Bible enough.

Or there is another way to think of all of this: a test. Everybody is being tested. Anybody can pass this test, just like anybody could have walked up the ramp to Noah's Ark. You only need to do two things, which almost everyone (including Christians) won't do.

 

[Pipiripi]

The big day is Matthew 24