When does the shift from merely human to officially cyborg take place?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So what about breast implants?

I don't need them

But seriously, I don't think so, because they don't really provide supra-normal physical capability; the Oxford English dictionary defines it as a, "person whose physical abilities are extended beyond normal human limitations by mechanical elements built into the body." I'm tempted to extend that to include electronic elements too...

But, like most everyday definitions, there are likely to be borderline cases where it's a matter of personal judgement or opinion.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

How much modification would a person have to undergo before we would consider him or her a cyborg is the question. I know that no matter how modified my mom would be, she would always be my mom and never a cyborg to me.

It's not either-or; she will always be your mom, whether she's a cyborg, or a pensioner, or an asthmatic, etc.

 

[Larniavc]

because they don't really provide supra-normal physical capability;

I'm not sure that is the case.

They can seemily take control of buffudled, clearly out of their depth wealthy old guys and make them dance like puppets, biggly.

Like puppets, biggly.

That sounds like a super power.

 

[Landon Caeli]

So it is like a glass eye for aesthetics purposes only? The word cyber means that there is a functional component other than just appearance. That is why a woman with silicon boob transplants would not be considered a candidate for a cyborg.

No, it functions better than her original eye, it definitely works. But maybe it wasn't her retina -all I know is that she had a really bad cataract, and so they cut something out and replaced it with a synthetic one, whatever it was. It is a permanent, bionic, component that allows her to see clearly.

 

[Radrook]

It's not either-or; she will always be your mom, whether she's a cyborg, or a pensioner, or an asthmatic, etc.

Good point! Motherhood remains unchanged regardless of any type of bionic addition to the mother's body.

 

[Radrook]

No, it functions better than her original eye, it definitely works. But maybe it wasn't her retina -all I know is that she had a really bad cataract, and so they cut something out and replaced it with a synthetic one, whatever it was. It is a permanent, bionic, component that allows her to see clearly.

Since your mom sees perfectly I'm sure it wasn't like this one. All this one does is show dots!
But then again his condition must have been different.

Bionic eye implant world first - BBC News

Sounds more like she got a bionic lense:

 

[Radrook]

I recall a story called gray matters where
brains had to fight and scheme to get
mechanical transport body so they could
get out of storage.

They never thought of them selves as
cyborgs.

How could they fight and scheme while being in storage?

 

[Radrook]

I think he's still a human and not at all a cyborg. Interesting thread idea. I'd think a cyborb would have to be created from the start and never human -- it's arguably possible you can take a human and transform them completely into a robot, but you'd have to kill their entire living body or at least most of it in the process - and let's admit we are nowhere near that developed yet. I doubt we'd ever be that advanced with this branch of science, although who knows.

Ever see the film Robocop where a man is killed in the line of duty and his brain is removed and placed into a robotic body?

 

[JCFantasy23]

Ever see the film Robocop where a ma is killed in the line of duty and his brain in removed and placed into a robotic body?

Unfortunately, yes I have seen it.

 

[SkyWriting]

How could they fight and scheme while being in storage?

They were given enough control to manipulate the environment.

Gray Matters: William hjortsberg: 9780671827250: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Loudmouth]

Cloning is unnatural and goes against what Genesis clearly tells mankind to do.

Identical twins are natural clones, so I don't see how clones can be unnatural when they naturally occur all of the time.

The established arrangement in Genesis is for two parents. So obviously that is how God wants us to do things.

The vast majority of species on Earth reproduce by cloning themselves.

 

[Radrook]

Identical twins are natural clones, so I don't see how clones can be unnatural when they naturally occur all of the time.



The vast majority of species on Earth reproduce by cloning themselves.

I wasn't referring to natural cloning in nature.
I wasn't referring to non-humans when I mentioned the marriage arrangement.

 

[Radrook]

They were given enough control to manipulate the environment.

Gray Matters: William hjortsberg: 9780671827250: Amazon.com: Books

Sounds like an interesting novel. Thanx for the link!

 

[Radrook]

Unfortunately, yes I have seen it.

Understandable. Some films stir a strong sense of either revulsion or else compassion or a mix of the twain.

 

[Nithavela]

I'd say that the official line would be somewhat hazy, but my personal (completely uninformed) definition would be that a person becomes a cyborg if one or more of his organs are replaced by a mechanical component that acts as well, if not better than the original.

So someone with a pacemaker would not qualify, and neither would someone with a glass eye, but someone with a hand prostetic that is completely articulate and moves naturally would.

 

[Radrook]

I'd say that the official line would be somewhat hazy, but my personal (completely uninformed) definition would be that a person becomes a cyborg if one or more of his organs are replaced by a mechanical component that acts as well, if not better than the original.

So someone with a pacemaker would not qualify, and neither would someone with a glass eye, but someone with a hand prostetic that is completely articulate and moves naturally would.

How about someone with a microchips in his brain to give him access to the internet or to phones? Or does it have to be replacement of an organ only?

 

[Nithavela]

How about someone with a microchips in his brain to give him access to the internet or to phones? Or does it have to be replacement of an organ only?

Wouldn't call that a cyborg, no. After all, we use tools to enhance our abilities or gain new abilities every day, since the time man started flintknapping. I don't think that it's a big difference if those tools are implanted in the body.

On the other hand, I don't think that such an implant could be done without replacing some part of the brain with a mechanical part, at the very least as an interface.

 

[Radrook]

Wouldn't call that a cyborg, no. After all, we use tools to enhance our abilities or gain new abilities every day, since the time man started flintknapping. I don't think that it's a big difference if those tools are implanted in the body.

On the other hand, I don't think that such an implant could be done without replacing some part of the brain with a mechanical part, at the very least as an interface.

Here is an article on using microchips in relation to the brain.
Brain implants: Restoring memory with a microchip - CNN.com

 

[Radrook]

Starts with the mark of the beast, a chip implant, and proceeds from there...

God Bless!

I was taught that the Mark of the beast, is received whenever a person takes part in this world's political squabbles via voting. The beast was identified as the world political system under Satan. The biblical justification for this was described as the prophecies concerning the beasts in the book of Daniel where thy are described as a succession of world empires. In short, the book of Daniel provides the key to understanding the symbolism of Revelation.

 

[Kylie]

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