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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Markwsmith2020, Oct 20, 2017.

  1. Marilyn C

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    Hi The Times,

    That`s good that you are rethinking. I`m sure all of us do that as we read different people`s comments that highlight areas we need adjusting.

    Now your 2 millenniums do not hold true bro. Satan was not bound at the cross. We as believers are to grow in maturity by turning away from the enemies lies, dying to self and receiving Christ`s life within. As you would know this is a daily struggle.

    All of scripture has to dove tail together. We can`t make a doctrine of one scripture or our interpretation of a scripture. I don`t see how your 2 millenniums work, bro.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  2. BABerean2

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    Rev 20:3  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 


    Mat_12:29
      Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


    Mar_3:27  No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.



    Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 

    Col 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

     
    During part of his ministry Paul was chained, but he still was a leader of the Church.

    Satan was bound in one respect at Calvary, when Christ triumphed over principalities and powers.
    Because of the Gospel, he was no longer able to deceive the whole world.


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  4. Marilyn C

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    Hi BABerean,

    Yes praise the Lord, Satan cannot now deceive us all. However we still need to remember -

    `We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.` (1 John 5: 19)

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  5. BABerean2

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    1Jn 5:18  We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 
    1Jn 5:19  And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 
    1Jn 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 
    1Jn 5:21  Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. 

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  6. The Times

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    We do not know for certain how it will go down. We know historically speaking that armies are not put in a situation by God, where they will physically face of to the death with his Son.

    We do however have situations where God authorises the Son to execute judgment and that we witnesse in the following versus....

    Then Yahweh rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven; (Genesis 19:24)

    So how Jesus (Yahweh) will execute judgment from the Father (Yahweh) is explained below.....

    19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. (Revelation 9:19)

    The versus simply highlight an attempt, not an actual physical war that can be waged against the Lord in the first place. The kings of the earth who are in service of Satan are encroaching on Christ's Church, especially in The Times we aren't living in, however their attempt to gather in the sense of encroachment against his Church, is an act of war, which will result in the beast being taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him.

    How the beast and the false prophet go down physically speaking is not explained, but their downfall is certain, when the Lord wages war against them. It seems Paul was right, when he said.....

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

    The Day of the Lord is when his Church starts to fall away from the faith once given to the faith, because of the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war the Church, especially in the times we are living in.

    We don't know how Jesus will defeat the enemies of his Church. The closest poetic text type we have is in Zechariah......

    1A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

    2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3Then the Lordwill go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. (Zechariah 14:1-3)

    Here we have the exact event depicted of Revelation 19:19, prophesied in a way that identifies this city as the city of peace, which is what Christ's Church is, because Jesus is the Prince of Peace and is the Kingly Chief Priest of his Church.

    Verse 1 just like the gathering of Revelation 19:19 stipulates the encroachment of the enemy within and without upon the Church, as Paul states within the context of the Great falling away. Zechariah identifies it as the plundering and dividing up, meaning division, within the Church.

    Zechariah in context to the great falling away states that the City of peace aka the Church is captured and its house of prayer ransacked, the denominations raped. Half of the Church City will be exiled, and on the run. Then the Lord comes to fight his enemies in the day of the Lord.

    We are not told how this will go down, however we know that the Lord said that the gates of hell will not prevail against my Church, so this action by th enemy is the declaration of war.

    Has the Lord declared war upon the kings of the world today?

    Absolutely and this was over half a decade ago.
     
  7. The Times

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    Jesus has only one spiritual bride/wife. Scripture clearly identifies who she is.

    16I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

    17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life. (Revelation 22:16-17)

    The testimony is for the Churches of Revelation and hence the Church of Christ, which is identified as his Holy Spirit filled Bride.

    And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (Revelation 21:2)

    See how Revelation 22 follows 21 and both identify the Church as the bride adorned for her husband and she's is called the New Jerusalem and hence the Old Jerusalem you speak of is the old unfaithful wife who was put away. The old unfaithful wife was depicted by Jesus letting the mother donkey go and replacing her with her daughter colt. How sweet are the Lord's ways, aren't they!

    Sorry, but if that were true, then Jesus had no business establishing his Church and making her the doorway to the Father, through the power of the Holy Spirit.

    No, when Jesus declared my Kingdom is not of this world and he reiterated it by saying....

    I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me. (John 14:30)

    In other words Jesus declares Satan as the Prince and ruler of this world and he plainly says he has nothing to do with me. Yet the context is plainly obvious, as follows....

    31but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me. (John 14:31)

    2My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (John 14:2-3)

    So we have two Princes, one who rules this world and has been ruling ever since the fall, and the other Prince is Jesus who rules the Heavenly palaces of the Father and he rules men's hearts. This declaration is seen in the story of job....

    8Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

    9“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10“Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

    12The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” (Job 1:8-12)

    Notice how th controversy is not over who rules on Earth, but who rules Job's heart and mind.

    Because previously Satan said this and God never challenged him on what Satan claimed as follows....

    6One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

    Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

    God doesn't challenge Satan's claim of roaming, meaning ruling throughout the earth. Do you see?

    God challenges Satan on the fact that he doesn't need to physically rule earth by roaming throughout it like Satan doesn't, but rather only needs to win men's hearts and minds.

    How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, "Your God reigns Hearts and minds!"
     
  8. Oseas

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    You wrote: >>> Christ was absolutely clear. He declared the Kingdom of heaven to be at hand......there and then!!<<<

    The question is: Who is worthy to enter in the kingdom that will be ESTABLISHED by the Most High God in this first century of the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, and the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Millennium of Vengeance? Do not you know that the Master of the house has already risen up, and multitudes will be separated to be burned with everlasting fire? This event will happen now, even now, in the days ahead, day after day. The world of Devil is full of unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all kind of liars, they all have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.

    The heaven is already opened, and he, that is called Faithful and True, Judges and makes war, yes, in righteousness he does judge and make war, BTW, he has a name written that no man knows, but he himself. His mouth is as a sharp Sword, that with it he must smite the nations. And he will rule the nations with a rod of iron, yea, rod of iron, and treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. As an ambassador of the Most High God, he bears in itself the insignia which represents the power of the King, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

    The Beast and the rulers of the earth, and their armies, and the false preachers of the Word of God, which are the tail of the red dragon, of seven heads and ten horns, they all will be cast alive into the everlasting lake of fire.

    As was prophesied by Malachi, "behold, the day comes, that will burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, will be stubble: and the day that comes will burn them up, says the Lord of hosts, that it will leave them neither root nor branch. O this Day has arrived. JESUS WARNED: " Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

    The message for the whole world now is this, hear who has ear to hear, and the Most High God will execute His Word in the manner you are not waiting, finishing His work upon the earth, completing and abbreviating it. The days will be shortenned. Yea, the wicked will be separated from the righteous, and will be cast into the furnace of fire, then there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
     
  9. The Times

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    I believe what @BABerean2 said that....

    Hence the Christ was triumphant over principalities and powers and had bound Satan at Calvary, then this means two things.....

    That is, according to Paul.... the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power (1 Corinthians 15:24). This means that this an ongoing process, under his Kingly High Priest office of Melchizedek, which commenced at the cross and will be completed at the end, at his brilliant coming when the seventh trumpet is sounded and time no longer is declared.

    Secondly, this would suggest that the bounding of Satan at the cross would have commenced the millennium for the wicked one. The millennium of the wicked one would end, when he is released at his last hour, before the brilliant coming of Christ Jesus.

    Now, having said that, I had previously thought that the millennium, which I believe to be a literal time frame, but not an exact number as per say, to be the same for the wicked one and the resurrection of the dead for the good. However, as I stated in my previous post concerning the change in my eschatological point of view, that there may in fact be two millenniums that are separated by the opening of the books, at the end and after Satan, death and hell are cast into the lake of fire.

    How do I know this?

    Because of this opening of the books separator, which clearly distinguishes one millennium from the other.....

    The Judgment of the Dead

    11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)

    So the Lake of fire is the second death, which means the individual who was not found in the book of Life, would have been recorded in the other book of the damned.

    Please note, the entire scripture speaks of only one judgment of the dead, that occurs when Christ comes to separate his sheep from the goats, according to the two books. We know that one book, is the book of life and the other must be the book of the damned who will be thrown in the lake of fire/annihilation.

    Therefore the resurrection of the dead can only occur after the books are opened at the Judgement of the dead and not before. This occurs only after Christ's brilliant coming.

    24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. (John 11:24)

    Jesus says that I will raise them up on the last day and Paul states that all men are destined to die once, then judgment. So this last day, must point to the time when Jesus returns and he judges the good from the wicked at the opening of the books.

    But Lo and behold, we read the previous versus that.....

    When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.
    And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    So for the Devil, the millennium ends, just before the books are opened at Christ's return. This means that at Christ's return ANOTHER millennium must follow for those who take part in the resurrection of the dead, at the Judgement of the Dead, at the last Trumpet when thhe books are opened.

    In conclusion, from the valid and sound reasoning made above, there has to be two millenniums, one for the wicked one and the other for the sheep of Christ at his return.

    The Devil cannot have his millennium imprisonment in tandem with the millennium of the sheep, especially after the books are opened at the Judgement of the Dead. Hence I strongly believe that there has to be two millenniums which are separated from one another by the opening of the books at the Judgement of the Dead.
     
  10. jgr

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    Hi Marilyn,

    Thanks for your response.

    As seen in post 192, the entire population of the earth qualifies as genetic/ethnic Israelites, because everyone on earth possesses at least some amount of Abraham's DNA.

    Spiritually, this means that every individual is either an Israelite believer in Christ, or an Israelite unbeliever in Christ.

    Statistically, unbelievers outnumber believers by at least 2:1. In absolute numbers, based on an approximate world population of 7 billion, this means that there are more than 4 billion Israelite unbelievers.

    Israelite believers comprise the Church, the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16).

    What will God do with more than 4 billion Israelite unbelievers? Will He begin by slaying 2/3 of them? (Zechariah 13:8-9)
     
  11. Marilyn C

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    Ah my friend, but you are forgetting that it is GOD who decides who is who. Remember God says -

    `And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.` (Luke 21: 24)

    regards, Marilyn.

     
  12. Marilyn C

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    1Jn 5:18  We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 
    1Jn 5:19  And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 
    1Jn 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 
    1Jn 5:21  Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    So The Times, we all agree with God`s word, that Satan cannot touch us, but that the whole world lies in wickedness under the sway of the evil one. Thus Satan is not in the pit.

    When Jesus came to earth He came to destroy the works of the devil, however when He comes again in power & great glory with His angelic hosts He will then get an angel to bind Satan and cast him into the bottomless pit. (Rev. 20: 1 - 3)

    regards, Marilyn.
     
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    How does that negate the reasoning behind the two millenniums claimed in my previous post below....

    When does the kingdom come
     
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    @Marilyn C please read my post below...I truly believe that it is the smoking gun to understanding the eschatological sequence.

    When does the kingdom come

    If I can get your assistance in scrutinizing my reasoning, it will be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Presently the Kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Timothy 4:18, Hebrews 12:22-24) and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Romans 14:17, Luke 17:21). But in the future the Kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10). It will also be physically (Luke 22:30, Matthew 19:28) on the earth (Revelation 5:10), first during the future Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21) and then on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1-8).

    Jesus Christ's Kingdom is Israel (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). And at His future, Second Coming, He will sit on the earthly throne of King David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7) and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in His humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' Second Coming, He will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11) to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And He will bring salvation to all the still-living, non-Christian elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other still-living, non-Christian elect Jews) will become Christians when they see Jesus at His Second Coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the Church at that time. For there are no Christians outside of the Church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

    After Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which time the Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the physically resurrected Church will reign on the earth with Jesus during the Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the Church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).
     
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    Note that there are at least eight Biblical reasons to read the 1,000 years (the Millennium) of Revelation 20:2-6 as not beginning until after Jesus Christ's (still unfulfilled) Second Coming in Revelation 19:7-21.

    First, this is in accord with how the rest of Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are in chronological order, insofar as the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will begin with the events of the 2nd through 6th seals, occurring in the order shown in Revelation 6:3-14. After the events of the 6th seal, Revelation 7 will occur. Then the 7th seal will be unsealed and out of it will come the Tribulation's 7 trumpets (Revelation 8:1-6). Then the events of the first 6 trumpets in Revelation 8:7 to Revelation 9:21 will occur in the order shown there. Then Revelation 10 will occur. Then the literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign will occur, which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13).

    Then the 7th trumpet will sound, announcing the legal end of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 11:15). Out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the 7 plagues of the 7 vials (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the Tribulation's final stage. Then the events of the 7 vials will occur in the order shown in Revelation 16. Jesus Christ's Second Coming will occur right after the 7th-and-last vial (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), and He will rapture and marry the Church at that time (Revelation 19:7). Then He will completely defeat the world's armies (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3), and reign on the earth with the physically resurrected Church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). Then the events of Revelation 20:7 to Revelation 22:5 will occur in the order shown there.

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    Second, the 1,000 years in Revelation 20:2-6 are when Satan will be literally bound with a chain, and cast into and locked within the literal Bottomless Pit, while currently he's walking about freely on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet. But their beginning after Jesus' Second Coming makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

    Third, during the 1,000 years, Satan won't be able to deceive the world (Revelation 20:3), while currently he is able to deceive the world (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Corinthians 11:3,14-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 13:14, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet.

    Fourth, the defeat of Satan in Revelation 20:1-3 is in chronological accord with the immediately preceding defeat of the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), and his False Prophet, and the unsaved armies of the world, at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:19-21). Indeed, there's no chapter break between Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 in the original Greek manuscripts, so Revelation 19:19 to 20:3 can be taken together as a unit, showing how every power of evil will be defeated at Jesus' Second Coming.

    Fifth, reading Revelation 20:4-6 as Jesus Christ and the bodily resurrected Church reigning first on the present earth (not the New Earth) after His future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches Jesus reigning first on the present earth (not the New Earth) after His Second Coming in Zechariah 14:3-21. For Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the New Earth (of Revelation 21:1-3), because Zechariah 14:8-21 refers to a temple building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:20-21), whereas there will be no temple building in New Jerusalem on the New Earth (Revelation 21:22). Also, Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the New Earth, because it refers to surviving non-Christians from the present earth being forced to come up to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the Millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19), whereas by the time of the New Earth, all non-Christians from the present earth will have been cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15 to 21:8).

    Sixth, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the physical resurrection of the Church at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches other verses which show the physical resurrection of the Church will occur at the Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).

    Seventh, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the physical resurrection of the Church at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming is in line with Revelation 20:5, which must refer in its entirety only to physical resurrection. For not every dead person is going to be figuratively resurrected in the sense of becoming saved (Revelation 20:15). And Revelation 20:5 means the rest of the dead (that is, all the non-Church dead of all times) will be resurrected in the same manner the Church will be resurrected in Revelation 20:4-6, but the rest of the dead won't be resurrected until sometime after the 1,000 years.

    Eighth, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the physical resurrection of the Church at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming is in line with Revelation 20:4, which shows the people in the 1st resurrection will include those in the Church who will have been beheaded by the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") for not worshipping him or his image, or receiving his mark on their hand or forehead. This refers back to the details of Revelation 13:4-18, which have never been fulfilled. So the 1st resurrection can't have happened yet. But its occurring at Jesus' Second Coming, when He will defeat the Antichrist, makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:20 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9).

    Note that in Matthew 12:25-29 the "strong man" isn't Satan himself, but one of the "strong man" individual demons/unclean spirits who possess some individual people. Compare the strength of the individual demon in the individual man in Acts 19:13-16, who had the strength to overpower 7 men. Satan himself remains unbound, walking about freely on the earth (1 Peter 5:8). He won't be bound and locked down in the Bottomless Pit, by an angel, until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3).

    Note that in Colossians 2:15 the original Greek word (G0554) translated as "spoiled" doesn't mean Satan has been "disarmed", or "bound". For he still employs spiritual weapons (Ephesians 6:16), and he's still walking about freely on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8).

    Colossians 2:15, like the similar Hebrews 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8b, makes no reference to the "binding" of Satan with a chain and his being "shut up", that is, enclosed within, the literal Bottomless Pit by an angel (Revelation 20:1-3). For this won't occur until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3).

    In Hebrews 2:14 the original Greek word (G2673) translated as "destroy" can simply mean "to make of none effect" (Romans 4:14b). Hebrews 2:14 means Jesus Christ's death for our sins made Satan's power of none effect spiritually over obedient Christians. Similarly, in 1 John 3:8 the original Greek word (G3089) translated as "destroy" can simply mean "to break" (Ephesians 2:14). 1 John 3:8 means Jesus came to break Satan's workings from having any spiritual effect over obedient Christians.

    Colossians 2:15, Hebrews 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8b don't contradict that Satan, when allowed by God, can still wield his power physically over even obedient Christians, even to the point of killing them (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 12:9,17, Revelation 13:4-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6). Similarly, Colossians 2:15, Hebrews 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8b don't contradict that Satan can still wield his deceiving spiritual power over both disobedient Christians and non-Christians (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Corinthians 11:3,14-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 13:14, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10), whereas during the future Millennium, Satan won't be able to deceive anyone (Revelation 20:3).
     
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  17. jgr

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    Yes; he knows those who have received His Son's gift of salvation and become His children; and He knows the remainder who have not.

    What will He do with those who have not? They are still ethnic Israelites.
     
  18. Marilyn C

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    Hi The Times, I certainly will.

    Marilyn.
     
  19. Marilyn C

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    Hi jgr,

    So are you telling me God made as `oops` when He made the nation of Israel?

    Marilyn.
     
  20. Kelly McArthur

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    The kingdom is within you. Inside of you is a soul that is broken within you like shards of glass reflecting the true light in bits and pieces and the ego steals this light and creates with it, thinks this light comes from him. The soul is sleeping, thinking it's awake, looking out the eyes during the day and sleeping behind the liver at night. You have to start somewhere.

    The second coming of Christ is for the bride.

    The bride is the soul, called a seed that has to transform within through Christ. Remember the field is the world and the seed are the children. The way the soul transforms within is through the understandings of who we are where we came from and where we are going. We won't know fully until our minds renew as Christ's with Lord Jesus who is the only straight way to the Father.

    The mind renews as a Christ as we walk the way with him, communicating and self correcting along the way with Truth and Light through the power of the Holy Spirit. We will see and hear correctly because we are no longer dealing with the ego called blind one and copy cat who wears many hats and does not have original thought.

    The soul is glorified as the bride and is full of light and love and he is her's and she is his and this light crowns the mind of Christ with her glory, if this separation from the Father never happened we would not know ourselves as children, common sense.

    All minds renewed with Lord Jesus are male in essence and all bodies transformed are female in essence and when the two come together as one we are neither male or female we are one with the Father. We are all called Son's of the Most High and we will reign with him Lord Jesus, we are the children of the True Father. This earth is a place where we are born again. Souls don't die, only the organic life dies and the flesh is not able to inherit eternal life and surprise, its the largest delivery ever to take place, we are in the second coming of Christ... we are going to enter into the kingdom within and go from believing to knowing in a calm and open manner, no one will truly understand only the elect first just as it's written many are called few are chosen, and not all will sleep but all will be changed. Every knee will bow... you remember? Our Lord Jesus wants that none will perish, but all come to have eternal life.

    I have to mention those who think that God has little gods are in error. There is only one way for the mind to transform and that is through our dear saviour Jesus Christ by whom we come into the Father's presence. Jesus Christ is Lord God, Alpha and Omega, being and end and he's not worried, so don't you be, self correcting is a step in the right direction, remember the HS is your comforter and teacher, ask for help and know Jesus has never left you. You can't do it through the ego and the ego will try and stay on board yet it's over for him, he gets behind you no longer allowed to call the shots or lead the way. This is done as a child with Lord Jesus, you are an innocent lamb and this world appears in a troubled labour, straighten out with him and keep walking out of this ignorant darkness, it gets lighter as you go.


    There is work to be done.


    There is a solution to go from believing to knowing.

    You have to mature go from the milk to the meat.

    Here's the solution: God has Satan standing before his throne day and night. The two are one, we are in a duality and these are liken to a millstone doing a thousand miles a day going no where.

    You are to stop praying to God who is right on the right, let go of him and cross over to the left where Lord Jesus is the light in a dark place and ask him on purpose to awaken you. On your right is now the power of the Holy Spirit. She is wisdom from him, that's right, She.

    Together with the Christ you walk straight to the Father, takes about 9 months and 100days. Like a pendulum swing, Jesus and the holy spirit, left and right and left and... you get it. You glide forward straight to the Father. God has your back, Satan cannot cross over him and and cannot accuse you before Lord Jesus with guilt and shame.

    No sin and when your heart condemns you remember he does not... remember Jesus forgives all indeed, you are set free to learn to self correct along the way with the holy spirit your comforter and teacher and Christ Jesus, it's not easy at first, we forget whats going on because the world is busy and we're in routine, keep up the good work, take care of family, your work, driving, looking after the animals, take care of your health... we are waking up, it's the best.

    Acknowledge Jesus in all your ways and he will direct your path, he's alive and well and don't worry, you'll see him soon and you won't be blown up or nuked, this is the Father's plan, the elect will be first.

    The kingdom is within you.

    We are in the second coming of Christ. Heaven is within the mind, God is in the cloud and Jesus rises above, you'll see him as he is and he's in a glorified body of light, stands over 7feet tall and he's not worried one iota and the children, he said, will hear correctly.

    As Christ's we are not superstitious or from M.A.R.S. Martyrs Activist Robin-hoods or Supermen we are Christ's alone and we walk the law of the land in peace and love while we continue in service here in this world.

    Don't believe me or follow another, ask Lord Jesus yourself and let not the foolish distort this truth that is written plain and simple. Know the ego is full of jealousy and envy and will not like this one bit and will seek to cause trouble within your soul, don't worry, you are a child of the living Father, it's time to rise and shine!

    We are in the very beginning of the 1,000 year reign. Death looses its sting and the grave it's victory, we who are Christ's don't die.

    Christ is at the right hand of the Father and you are walking to the Father with Jesus who is on your left; any guru's out there are going to be in trouble if they don't have Jesus as their personal lord and saviour.

    No one is to stay out in left field and no one wants to be right right right, so its a left and right glide straight to the father like clock work.

    Jesus loves you and has never left you or forsaken you.

    :blueheart:

    M
     
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