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MJ Only When did modern Messianic Judaism come into existence?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by Daniel Marsh, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. Daniel Marsh

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    When did modern Messianic Judaism come into existence?

    Who were its leaders?
     
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  2. Ken Rank

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    Early 1970's as a movement (it came out of Jews for Jesus) and the Chernoffs (and others) were very pivotal in it's development.
     
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  3. Ken Rank

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    The Hebrew Roots Movement, which is primarily non-Jews, came out of the Messianic Movement.
     
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  4. tampasteve

    tampasteve Lutheran Messianic Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    The modern messianic movement started in the late 1800s, but it did not really take off (if one can even say that) until the 1970's when it started getting backing from groups originating with evangelical denominations such as Baptists and Pentecostals, along with the SDA as a smaller percentage. Jews for Jesus also was a major backer.

    The reality is that the "Messianic Movement" is really fractured and poorly defined. The ideas and teachings can be traced back to the 1st century, but many practices are rooted in later Rabbinic Judaism. That is not a bad thing necessarily, but it is something to be remembered. Most "Messianic Synagogues" are more or less evangelical churches with Jewish trappings and a Jewish lexicon. Again, not necessarily bad, but just something to note.
     
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    A lot but not all. A solid foundation has been established, on both sides of the fence (oral Torah). Have you heard of Lapid Judaism? It's where many of the Torah observant Gentiles have flocked to. A newly self described Judaism.
     
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    tampasteve Lutheran Messianic Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    Quite true. I know there are some that are much more solid or "Jewish" than others. I have spoken to such rabbis. I know of one that will not be called "Christian" or even "Messianic" he simply wants to be a rabbi that believes Yeshua was/is the Messiach.
    I have not heard of it, I did a search online and....their websites need some major work to bring them to respectable standards. I know the web is not the "be all and end all" of respectability, but it is the window to the organization. How are they organized? I can't really find out much from their website....
     
  8. Ken Rank

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    You and @tampasteve are correct. Technically, there was a beginning in the late 1800's but the force of what we see today came out of the evangelical movement "Jews for Jesus" and thus, the Messianic Movement began as an evangelical tool aimed at the Orthodox. I don't think the weight is placed there as much today, but I also don't necessarily run in those circles too much so I won't know as much as others.
     
  9. visionary

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    When the time of born again were transformed by what the Holy Spirit was trying to show them. Verses obscure, became spiritually prophetically interesting and studying to see if it was so, led many to observe and obey God as they saw things being fulfilled.

    Hebrews 9:10
    Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
    Luke 21:24
    And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    Ezekiel 47:22
    And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
    Amos 9:14-15
    14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

    Ezekiel 37:10-14
    So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet--a vast army. Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

    Isaiah 66:7-8
    “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.”

    Ezekiel 37:21-22
    and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.

    Jeremiah 16:14-15
    “However, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when men will no longer say, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’ but they will say, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

    Ezekiel 34:13
    I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

    Jeremiah 31:10
    “Hear the word of the Lord, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: ‘He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.’

    Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
    “If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, ... You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.”

    Deuteronomy 30:3-5
    then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.

    Some more Fulfilled Prophecies: 1948 & Beyond
    54 prophecies fulfilled in 60 years (Dr. Ken Johnson)
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    God doesn't do all this and it not be about His people. That includes all believers. Many are called. ….Conviction is growing and many are coming into the fold. From distant lands, from distant hearts, they are coming. He said "if you hear my voice"... Come...
     
  10. Ken Rank

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    Do you want to see God's stamp of authority on something, @visionary ? If you count years using Adam's life as the beginning of years, then Abraham was born in 1948. That is, of course, one thousand nine hundred and forty eight years from Adam's beginning. That just can't be a coincidence. :)

    Blessings and Shabbat Shalom to you all.
    Ken
     
  11. Lulav

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    It came into being (again) when the time was right. visionary posted some good scriptures. It was not a protestant movement even though it started from some of those Churches where those who believed the Bible spoke to their Jewish friends and lead them to Yeshua.

    If you talk to many Jewish believers the time of the Holy Spirit drawing them, opening their ears to hear was in the late 60's early 70's. Many Messianic Jewish Rabbis of today can tell a similar story and from that time period.

    Israel came back into being in 1948 but in 1967 the HOLY CITY of Jerusalem was again in Jewish hands. As you can see this followed by many born again experiences of Jewish men and women.

    I am one of those, back in 1974 was my time.
     
  12. TreWalker

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    Over the past decade and a half I have visited and been apart of many Messianic congregations throughout the west. I've seen most all forms of the movement personally because when one wanders throughout the desert one can not be picky when Hashem gives us water. And the journey seems to solidify who you really are. Meaning I find it's the journey that makes you not the place you have come to. I started out over 15yrs ago in a very frum Messianic shul. Formed by Jews and frequented by Gentiles. I set out to find something better and Hashem led me right back to my beginnings. Funny how that works. All that to say, I appreciate a very traditional worship service. I'm at home within a minyon doing shacharit prayers. But the sojourning has made me appreciate much and humbled me in many ways. I used to fight for my identity, but now I've grown comfortable with who Hashem has and is making me. I get to be me and let others be themselves. I get to NOT stand in between another and Hashem. Because that is not my job description!


    I just ran across them myself. I formed an aggregate page for MJ here in the NW where I attempt to gather all the active events and services in the area. in my gathering Lapid came into my nets. I had never heard of them before either. It looks like the fruit of the CTOMB and other Torah observant Messianic groups. In a youtube video I saw of them they openly state they are gentiles seeking to self-identify as Jewish. As opposed to the traditional Messianic Jews who seek to identify 'within' current Jewish tradition. They are creating their own minhagim.
     
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  13. Daniel Marsh

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    Thanks all, is it true that Messianic Churches are Dispensationalists?
     
  14. Daniel Marsh

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    Were there any one who claimed to be Messianic that was anti-semtic?
    What is the full story of those persons? I am assuming they were pretend Messianic.
     
  15. Ken Rank

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    Like any sect, there are varying beliefs. The down side to Christianity at large is our division over our beliefs... the up side is that a day is coming when that won't be the case.

    Blessings.
    Ken
     
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    I'm sure there are, there are always wolves hiding among the sheep.
     
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    Many Jews have Ebonite beliefs.
     
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    It is true that baptists, pentecostals, and charismatic Christians, many of whom are dispensational, embraced and gave a home to the Jews who came to faith in Yeshua while maintaining their Jewish identity. I would agree that it appears their dispensational perspective motivated this relationship. And that those who came from those backgrounds and are now Messianic tend to hold dispensational beliefs knowingly or not. But most Jewish believers are not. It's all one long story. One story, one people, one nation, one Messiah, one Creator. Echad

    Dispensational believers fostered the Messianic Jewish movement. However today many Jews within the movement identify as post-missionary which conflicts greatly with many dispensational believers.
     
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  19. Daniel Marsh

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    Hi Ken, what is the division and what is the solution? thanks, daniel
     
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    Do Messianic believe what this link says?
    An Inconvenient Truth
     
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