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Whay saves a person?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neostarwcc, Feb 17, 2019.

  1. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    Okay so there's been a topic similar to this one recently but none of the people posting in it ever really clarified the question of what saves a person? Is it belief that Jesus is the messiah? Is it coming to Jesus for salvation and remaining in that faith until death? Is it belief in the trinity? Or belief is Jesus's death burial and resurrection? Or all four? Because all scripture says is "believe in Jesus and you will be saved" Paul ever puts it way plainly clear in Romans 10:13. Jesus talks about how God the Father plays a role in our salvation in John 6:37-40 and how all who the Father gives to him will NEVER be lost. But how does a person know whether or not they were given to Jesus by God the Father? Just what is belief in Christ exactly? Please keep the debate civil.
     
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  2. THE W

    THE W AFRIKANB0T

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    what does it mean to truly believe in something or someone?

    answering that question will be key.
     
  3. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    To agree with the facts I guess? Like say for example the fact that Jesus rose from the dead. If you agree with that fact and believe it in your heart than you will be saved. Quoting Paul in Romans 10.
     
  4. THE W

    THE W AFRIKANB0T

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    "believe in your heart"

    this would go beyond just intellectual consent. again, understanding what is means to believe in something or someone will be very important.
     
  5. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    What is believing in your heart then?
     
  6. THE W

    THE W AFRIKANB0T

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    It's just an expression describing genuine belief.
     
  7. Jonaitis

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    What saves a person is believing and trusting in the perfect person and finished work of the anointed Jesus. He is the object of our salvation, and faith is the means to receive all that he is and all that he offers to sinners through his life, death, and resurrection.
     
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    Wimping out, giving up and surrendering to your enemy God while He is still your enemy. Just this turning in your heart away from the fight will allow God to shower you with unbelievable gifts.
     
  9. Shempster

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    It is none of those things.
    Yes, it involves believing, but what is required is that we both hear and obey the commandments of Jesus. That is what saves us.
     
  10. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    Interesting. And what if a person doesn't really trust that God will save them. Are they still saved?
     
  11. Jonaitis

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    If they don't rest their faith in Christ, they remain in their sin (John 3:18). So, no they aren't saved.
     
  12. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    But one can have faith in Christ without fully trusting in him.

    Let me explain since I'm probably confusing you. Okay an example would be lets say I came to Christ for salvation and begged him to save me. I get born again at that very moment. But lets say for several years after I become born again I still don't fully trust in God to save me because I think oh lets say for example that Christs death was insufficient to save me and that I'm lost. But I still have faith in Christ because I believe all of the things that the Bible says are true about Jesus and God. I still believe Gods promises even if I don't completely and fully trust in them. You're saying that that person isn't still saved despite him being born again? Last I checked those who are born again are saved. And Christians know they are born again because of their fruits and because they've remained in the faith for lets say oh 30 years or so.

    See I don't buy the whole trust thing. Because I know for sure I'm born again (I saw it happen) and I know for sure I am a child of God. But I still don't 100% trust Christ to save me. I still have my doubts and it offends me a little bit that you're saying that because I don't have assurance of salvation that I'm not saved. Or that because I'm not fully trusting in Jesus's death that I'm not saved. I mean I know that very high odds are? I'm saved. But yet at the same time I find it extremely difficult to trust that Jesus's death was sufficient to pay for all of my sins. Especially when I probably more than likely commuted the unforgivable sin. You know?
     
  13. Jonaitis

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    I believe you are reading me wrong...

    See, the problem I have with what you are saying is that you see a dichotomy with "faith" and "trust," when they mean the same thing. If you have faith in Christ, you are essentially trusting in him, it is the same thing. Even if you experience doubts about your salvation, you can still be setting that faith/trust in the Savior. Assurance of salvation isn't necessary to be saved, a person can sin so grievously that God can remove such assurance temporally, but not their salvation.

    Now, let's say you disbelieve that Jesus actually suffered for you, then I cannot say for sure that is even faith at all (or trust, whatever you want to call it) in Christ. It is hard for me to say you are saved if you don't really believe in Christ as your Savior.

    There's a difference between struggling with doubts if you are saved and disbelief in Christ altogether.
     
  14. 1213

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    If saving means that one is saved from the judgment that comes because of sin, then I say: people are saved by words Jesus declared.


    "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, Because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim release to the captives, Recovering of sight to the blind, To deliver those who are crushed, And to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."

    Luke 4:18-19

    He said to them, "Let's go elsewhere into the next towns, that I may preach there also, because for this reason I came forth."
    Mark 1:38

    It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
    John 6:63

    Truly, truly I tell you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death at all.”
    John. 8:51

    The forgiveness is in the words of Jesus. And the forgiveness is what saves from the judgment. The forgiveness is offered freely, but then there is the question, do people want to receive it, do people want to repent and not continue in sin. Forgiveness is not useful, if person after that continues in sin and is not righteous.

    These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
    Mat. 25:46

    For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    Romans 6:23
     
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