What's with all the conspiracy theories?

stillangela · Aug 6, 2012

Honestly, I make a living researching and writing about conspiracies. My last book was about the Illuminati. Do I think every Illuminati theory is accurate? Of course not. My books are fiction, with factual details. Conspiracy theories fascinate me. I'm especially intrigued by the Illuminati. However, after hours and hours of research, you run into some pretty ridiculous stuff. For instance, google Reptilian George Bush. Those are the theories I can't take seriously.

Blackwater Babe · Aug 6, 2012

stillangela said:
Honestly, I make a living researching and writing about conspiracies. My last book was about the Illuminati. Do I think every Illuminati theory is accurate? Of course not. My books are fiction, with factual details. Conspiracy theories fascinate me. I'm especially intrigued by the Illuminati. However, after hours and hours of research, you run into some pretty ridiculous stuff. For instance, google Reptilian George Bush. Those are the theories I can't take seriously.

That sounds like an interesting way to make a living, and welcome to CF.

stillangela · Aug 6, 2012

Thank You! I only wish I found it sooner! The people are so nice!

Nekoda · Aug 6, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
Right. And indeed they do. After every earthquake there's some idiot talking about HAARP earthquake machines, after every cyclone, its HAARP weather machines.

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I noticed you used the word "they" in line with your previous comment lumping everyone together. Just because one person jumps to a conclusion of conspiracy doesn't mean everyone does on every single matter.

Blackwater Babe said:
Subconsciously, they find it more comforting for there to be a reason behind a tragedy.

The things I believe to be conspiracies do not give me one iota of comfort. It would be much more comforting to believe the various fantasies peddled out through media and government "officials" than to believe what I believe. But I'd rather endure that discomfort for what I think to be a clearer picture of events than some bull stuff someone wants me to believe.

Blackwater Babe said:
Again, it can be subconscious. Once you start espousing a position and feeling good about it, you'll keep doing it. And when people try to argue against what's making you feel good, you defend it, more and more fiercly. Its self reinforcing.

Again, the specific events I personally believe to be conspiracies do not make me feel good. I wish we did not live in such a world. I really do. But if I have been persuaded into a position through facts and logic, "feeling good" about it doesn't enter the motive for belief. The things I believe are conspiracies are not comforting at all, on any level. They are frightening - and I'm not the kind of person that gets a thrill from being frightened - but I will endure it.

durangodawood · Aug 6, 2012

stillangela said:
Honestly, I make a living researching and writing about conspiracies. My last book was about the Illuminati. Do I think every Illuminati theory is accurate? Of course not. My books are fiction, with factual details. Conspiracy theories fascinate me. I'm especially intrigued by the Illuminati. However, after hours and hours of research, you run into some pretty ridiculous stuff. For instance, google Reptilian George Bush. Those are the theories I can't take seriously.

What do you know about Dulce, NM?
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Blackwater Babe · Aug 6, 2012

Nekoda said:
I noticed you used the word "they" in line with your previous comment lumping everyone together. Just because one person jumps to a conclusion of conspiracy doesn't mean everyone does on every single matter.

The things I believe to be conspiracies do not give me one iota of comfort. It would be much more comforting to believe the various fantasies peddled out through media and government "officials" than to believe what I believe. But I'd rather endure that discomfort for what I think to be a clearer picture of events than some bull stuff someone wants me to believe.

Again, the specific events I personally believe to be conspiracies do not make me feel good. I wish we did not live in such a world. I really do. But if I have been persuaded into a position through facts and logic, "feeling good" about it doesn't enter the motive for belief. The things I believe are conspiracies are not comforting at all, on any level. They are frightening - and I'm not the kind of person that gets a thrill from being frightened - but I will endure it.

Personal delusions are not necesarily consciously comforting, yet they exist because we find them more comforting than the alternative. To the conspiracy theorist, the belief that everything is somehow controlled by sinister forces is (subconsciously) more comfortable than thinking things just happen randomly. Even if this involves a level of "persecution".

Meh. The real proof that you believe in irational delusional stuff is that I can confidently predict now, that no amount of evidence will convince you that whatever your prefered brand of conspiracy is wrong.

Ask yourself, honestly (and you don't have to tell us the result), but can you see any potential evidence or explaination, any at all, that will get you to stop believing in any of your conspiracy theory beliefs? And if there is, did it take you as much evidence to believe in the theory in the first place?

stillangela · Aug 6, 2012

Oh, absolutely. I can't be certain of any conspiracy. I also can't be certain there isn't one, so yes--I could be convinced that my current beliefs might be wrong.

Blackwater Babe · Aug 6, 2012

Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

stillangela · Aug 6, 2012

durangodawood said:
What do you know about Dulce, NM?
.

Truthfully, nothing. Tell me everything you know

Blackwater Babe · Aug 6, 2012

stillangela said:
Oh, absolutely. I can't be certain of any conspiracy. I also can't be certain there isn't one, so yes--I could be convinced that my current beliefs might be wrong.

This sounds rational.

stillangela · Aug 6, 2012

I just did a quick google search. Aliens? UFOs?

Blackwater Babe · Aug 6, 2012

stillangela said:
Truthfully, nothing. Tell me everything you know

Underground alien base, with regular fire fights between the aliens and Delta Force.

durangodawood · Aug 6, 2012

stillangela said:
Truthfully, nothing. Tell me everything you know

Underground base run jointly by USA and an allied race of aliens.
Below Dulce Mountain on the Jicarilla Apache Res in NM.
Tunnels connect it to other strategic locations.
Big shootout between "us" and some bad aliens took place there.
Really baaaad stuff.
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Thought you might have some insight since you study this stuff. But this is so out-there its probably off your map.
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Nekoda · Aug 6, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
Personal delusions are not necesarily consciously comforting, yet they exist because we find them more comforting than the alternative. To the conspiracy theorist, the belief that everything is somehow controlled by sinister forces is (subconsciously) more comfortable than thinking things just happen randomly. Even if this involves a level of "persecution".

You make assumptions about what I believe based on your own image of what a "conspiracy theorist" is - as if they all fit into a neat little mold.

Blackwater Babe said:
Meh. The real proof that you believe in irational delusional stuff is that I can confidently predict now, that no amount of evidence will convince you that whatever your prefered brand of conspiracy is wrong.

Ask yourself, honestly (and you don't have to tell us the result), but can you see any potential evidence or explaination, any at all, that will get you to stop believing in any of your conspiracy theory beliefs? And if there is, did it take you as much evidence to believe in the theory in the first place?

Sure. The evidence must, however, be:

A) In line with all known facts surrounding the case
B) Void of logical fallacies
C) In line with known, practiced and verifiable science as it relates to the scenario - not just the word of a spokesman(s) with letters behind his or her name. This applies to organizations as well, such as NIST.
D) Generally speaking - I have to be convinced through logic and facts, not appeals to emotion, or social stigma, or anything that smells of collectivist group think or pressure.

KimberlyAA · Aug 6, 2012

I wasn't aware of any conspiracy theories

stillangela · Aug 6, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
This sounds rational.

One thing I've learned in life is that there are no sure things. Not everything is what it appears. And our beliefs seem to change according to life experiences. Our beliefs may not change radically, but if we are to evolve as humans, we have to have an open mind.

Blackwater Babe · Aug 6, 2012

Nekoda said:
You make assumptions about what I believe based on your own image of what a "conspiracy theorist" is - as if they all fit into a neat little mold.

There are a couple of molds. But all conspiracy theorists fit into at least one of them.

Sure. The evidence must, however, be:

A) In line with all known facts surrounding the case
B) Void of logical fallacies
C) In line with known, practiced and verifiable science as it relates to the scenario - not just the word of a spokesman(s) with letters behind his or her name. This applies to organizations as well, such as NIST.
D) Generally speaking - I have to be convinced through logic and facts, not appeals to emotion, or social stigma, or anything that smells of collectivist group think or pressure.

Ooh. OK, well, I'll probably regret this, but what conspiratorial belief would you be more comfortable without?

stillangela · Aug 6, 2012

durangodawood said:
Underground base run jointly by USA and an allied race of aliens.
Below Dulce Mountain on the Jicarilla Apache Res in NM.
Tunnels connect it to other strategic locations.
Big shootout between "us" and some bad aliens took place there.
Really baaaad stuff.
.
Thought you might have some insight since you study this stuff. But this is so out-there its probably off your map.
.

Yea, durangodawood, that's off my map. Of course, I love new ideas! I'll check it out. Not every book can be about the Illuminati and Masons.

sword_of_truth · Aug 6, 2012

The name calling and labelling usually follows when the responder has no point. The label "conspiracy theorist" is a thought stopper. if we dropped the labels, and simply discussed evidence, facts, crap or whatever it may be, this place might actually live up to its name ...a "forum".

sword_of_truth · Aug 6, 2012

Nekoda said:
You make assumptions about what I believe based on your own image of what a "conspiracy theorist" is - as if they all fit into a neat little mold.

Sure. The evidence must, however, be:

A) In line with all known facts surrounding the case
B) Void of logical fallacies
C) In line with known, practiced and verifiable science as it relates to the scenario - not just the word of a spokesman(s) with letters behind his or her name. This applies to organizations as well, such as NIST.
D) Generally speaking - I have to be convinced through logic and facts, not appeals to emotion, or social stigma, or anything that smells of collectivist group think or pressure.

Amen Nekoda

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