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What's the deal with saints?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Psaint, Dec 20, 2001.

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  1. Psaint

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    I see that Catholics pray to saints. Aren't these people just people like you and me? Shouldn't we pray to God instead?
     
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  2. Craig_Thompson

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    Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

    Luke 11:1-2 (KJV)
    1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, . . .

    In Jesus' example, His prayer is addressed to the Father not a saint.

    By the way, Catholics don't pray to the saints expecting that the saint will grant their request, they pray that the saint will intercede with God on their behalf.

    Now is this praying to dead saints scriptural?

    Consider Isaiah:

    19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 
    The Holy Bible : New International Version (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1996, c1984). Is 8:19-20.


     
  3. rkbo

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    1 Tim 2:5
    5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
    (KJV)

    Says it all.
     
  4. Blackwing

    Blackwing Music Man With Black Wings(duh...)<img src="http:/

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    im a former catholic and i can tell you that they will reply:"we are not praying to them but just venerating them and honoring them"

    Does not make sense to me at all now.
     
  5. rollinTHUNDER

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    Jesus warned us several times not to be deceived. Most Catholics have been deceived thru watered down teachings and rituals, but not all of them, some do know the truth. I think it is Satan that is Guilty of trying to divide the church. Thats why I refuse to be labeled anything other than Christian. I don't go to church. I am part of the church body. I go fellowship and worship.rollinTHUNDER
     
  6. SOS

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    Hi rolling thunder. I respect your decision not to go to church, but personally I think it's an important part of our walk with God. I would encourage you to find an assembly that you fit in and can serve in, and participate in church life. God bless, mate!
     
  7. Blackwing

    Blackwing Music Man With Black Wings(duh...)<img src="http:/

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    Hi there rollin thunder!!!

    I agree that there are many churches who are just decieved when it comes to the teaching of Jesus but i also agree with sos that you could find a church in which you can grow especially with the fellowship of other believers as well.

    Peace [​IMG]

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    Play skillfully with a loud noise!!! Psalm 33:3

    In the palm of HIS hands always,
    Glenn
     
  8. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hi SOS and Blackwing,
    Sorry about the misunderstanding. I didn't mean that I didn't go to church, To worship. But rather, I don't go to church, because I am part of the church. As in, the church is not a building, but rather, the body of Christ. The Church, is ALL true believers in Christ from all around this world. In Heaven, I don't think we will find denominations or divisions..rollinTHUNDER
     
  9. Prophet

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    Amen. In Heaven the Body is United as One. With Christ as the Head. The Church is United as the Bride. With Christ as the Groom.
     
  10. truthseeker

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    rollinTHUNDER &gt;&gt;&gt; It seems like I can relate to you more & more. I haven't been in a church, accept for a wedding or a funeral for about 10 years. Our local fellowship broke up [our "pastor" decided to go to seminary]; and I knew then that the "church" walls were coming down. Although, I thought it would happen sooner than this, but it's still coming. You, we are receiving fellowship here in a big way.

    But, I also relate to the rest of you, in that being close to several brothers & sisters on a regular basis is priceless!

    You know, some were told to go to the desert. I feel that this is where I am, so that it's just me and Him, in a way. Not a bad thing.
    LOL
     
  11. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello again Truthseeker,
    Don't be so hard on yourself. Life is much tougher when you don't fellowship with other believers. About 9 yrs ago, we lost our Pastor to retirement. We went 2 yrs without one, only using transent Preachers. Most Churches might have packed it in, and thrown in the towel, but not this group. We really held up rather well-we were all surprised. Our love held us together. Lots of prayer, Church suppers and fellowship were the glue. When it was all said and done, we were victorious, Satan lost as usual, and we, as a Church Body, were MUCH STRONGER. We have grown so much, that we are now re-building again for the second time since, to keep up with all the new members. Never Give Up - Persevere!!!!!>>> rollinTHUNDER
     
  12. rkbo

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    Truthseeker I've been there. It's one of those phases we go through. If you have a "seeking the face of the Lord" attitude he will show you the way he wants you to go. He will probably bring you back to a church. I have found that birds of a feather flock together and you will find other folks that you feel comfortable with and will again be part of building each other up.....you are doing that right here and I for one like your imput.
     
  13. Blackwing

    Blackwing Music Man With Black Wings(duh...)<img src="http:/

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    Yeah!!!

    Its like a fellowship or church here.
    Its only online but hey!no one is complaining!!!! [​IMG]

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    Play skillfully with a loud noise!!! Psalm 33:3

    In the palm of HIS hands always,
    Glenn
     
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