What's the best system of government for Christianity?

[JackRT]

Very early on the Jesus movement became institutionalized in the form of churches. These churches organized themselves hierarchically.This form of church government tends to consolidate power at the top of the pyramid and almost inevitably becomes rigid and self serving. It becomes rigid not just in its structure and authority but also in its belief. Generally speaking the development of dogma and creed serve less to enlighten the faithful than to confuse them. It becomes a litmus test to identify the faithful as either one of ours or one of those horrible heretics. Dogma and creed become sacrosanct ---- locked in place and not to be tampered with even when new information or new understandings of old information comes along. Even in the rare event that an enlightened progressive leader takes power, the structure itself ensures that little if any real change takes place.

 

[timothyu]

the structure itself ensures that little if any real change takes place.

Twitter does cause them problems though.

 

[Bruce Leiter]

I have often heard Anarchism and Monarchism. What do you think?

I believe that the worst mistake Christianity has ever made was to become established with the Roman Empire's government and later European governments. Christians should always be independent of any kind of government, except God's rulership in the new universe that he's going to make out of this decaying cosmos when Jesus returns.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Christians should always be independent of any kind of government, except God's rulership in the new universe that he's going to make out of this decaying cosmos when Jesus returns.

Born again, set apart (from the world),
Ekklesia since the first century thru TODAY ARE in Yahweh's Kingdom, under HIS RULERSHIP, JESUS IS LORD ! WE sheep hear the shepherd's voice and FOLLOW HIM, we will not follow another.....

 

[timothyu]

So all the church property and territorial disputes will end with expropriation.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So all the church property and territorial disputes will end with expropriation.

How? When?

What is Expropriation
Expropriation is the act of a government in taking privately owned property, ostensibly to be used for purposes designed to benefit the overall public. In the United States, what is referred to as "eminent domain" provides the legal foundation for expropriation. The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states that private property cannot be expropriated "for public use without just compensation."

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Definition of expropriation

: the act of expropriating or the state of being expropriated specifically : the action of the state in taking or modifying the property rights of an individual in the exercise of its sovereignty
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Expropriation The process of expropriation "occurs when a public agency takes private property for a purpose deemed to be in the public interest"


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expropriation n. The act of expropriating; the surrender of a claim to private property; the act of depriving of private propriety rights.

 

[☦Marius☦]

There is only one governance to a follower of Jesus and that would be the governance (King-dom) of God. No Republics or democracies or polity in the next world.

That was exactly my point.

Wonder why they think Christianity should be run the way governments of man are in that case.

Anarchism is rebellion.

Monarchism currently is the largest part of the beast world politics , or in the top 5 anyway - with the religious part, the medical part, and the commercial part
(BABYLON)

Christianity yes, but the Kingdom of God no. Too busy setting up their own.

My answer was simple. Kingdom of God.

As Jesus and all Ekklesia say, simply !
OUR kingdom is not of this world, and we are hated by this world, because Jesus is hated first.

Elizabeth tries but of course is no God. A humble Queen if that is possible. She establishes an image of servitude to the commonwealth yet represents responsibility over rights while attempting loving neighbour as self. Less hypocritical a setting than religious leaders of religious empires. Too bad the government does not follow her lead but to them she is only a figurehead, like God is to some Christians.

QUOTE="timothyu, post: 73567030, member: 415905"]Elizabeth tries but of course is no God. A humble Queen if that is possible. She establishes an image of servitude to the commonwealth yet represents responsibility over rights while attempting loving neighbour as self. Less hypocritical a setting than religious leaders of religious empires. Too bad the government does not follow her lead but to them she is only a figurehead, like God is to some Christians.[/QUOTE

Still questioning...... where is any Godly, Righteous Government ,
or even a righteous person in any government of any country ?

I don't know if you all know this, but derailing every single topic on this forum makes whatever it is you are trying to shove down our throats obnoxious. OP was clearly not asking for some abstract psuedosophical rant against human governments, but a debate over real existing function institutions. You guys spam this stuff on every thread and everyone is getting sick of it. Please realize this and either start your own threads, or consider getting out of your echo Chambers and participate in some free thought discussions. This forum is meant to be a place of conversation, not two or three people spamming the same opinions over and over on unrelated topics.

It's all fun to rant against the institution until you need a doctor or police or get invaded by a foreign power.

 

[John Bowen]

Direct democracy We the People vote on issues that effect us and our country . So people can " come into unity " community instead of being divided by the power elites over petty problems so they can control people setting themselves up with special privileges .The Holy Spirit bloweth where it listeh it can't come into a tightly controlled political institutions where you now have just a small elite running the show that squeezes out all spirit .

 

[timothyu]

How? When?

Second Coming

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's all fun to rant against the institution until you need a doctor or police.

Yahweh's Way is right, true, righteous, and BEST for everyone.
The section is titled "CHRISTIAN philosophy and ethics"
NOT carnal worldly heathen philosophy and ethics,
and
we are on a CHRISTIAN SITE, in name at least.

 

[timothyu]

I don't know if you all know this, but derailing every single topic on this forum makes whatever it is you are trying to shove down our throats obnoxious.

The Gospel of the Kingdom was obnoxious to the synagogue elite when Jesus first brought it up (yet not to Rome) , and has remained a thorn in the side of organized Christian religion ever since, (yet not the governments of man) so I understand your angst.

 

[timothyu]

The Holy Spirit bloweth where it listeh it can't come into a tightly controlled political institutions where you have a small elite running the show that squeezes out all spirit .

Like the elite moneylenders in a supposed Republic?

 

[Jonaitis]

In a fallen world, any government actually. We must remember our kingdom is not of this world, and so we can and are able to function under any form of government (even dictatorship), it just might cost us our lives (which is the result of being a believer in this hostile world). The best system is yet to be, even a republic cannot come close to it, although it could be argued to be one of the best in a fallen world with degenerate generation of men and women in these times.

"Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good." - 1 Peter 13, 14

 

[timothyu]

The best system is yet to be

Yes but that does not mean joining what is of man in the meantime. The Kingdom is an alternative, like a third party, except it ignores the traditional ways and systems of man, minding it's own business as it loves neighbour as self in it's various non-profit ways.

 

[☦Marius☦]

Second Coming

Yahweh's Way is right, true, righteous, and BEST for everyone.
The section is titled "CHRISTIAN philosophy and ethics"
NOT carnal worldly heathen philosophy and ethics,
and
we are on a CHRISTIAN SITE, in name at least.

The Gospel of the Kingdom was obnoxious to the synagogue elite when Jesus first brought it up (yet not to Rome) , and has remained a thorn in the side of organized Christian religion ever since, (yet not the governments of man) so I understand your angst.

Yes we know. You all are the true Christians while the rest of us too stupid or unenlightened enough to get your vague posts are the fake Christians. You emphasize that on every thread. If you actually ever explained what you mean instead of vague spam, we would be less annoyed with your posting.

 

[☦Marius☦]

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[Tutorman]

I don't know if you all know this, but derailing every single topic on this forum makes whatever it is you are trying to shove down our throats obnoxious. OP was clearly not asking for some abstract psuedosophical rant against human governments, but a debate over real existing function institutions. You guys spam this stuff on every thread and everyone is getting sick of it. Please realize this and either start your own threads, or consider getting out of your echo Chambers and participate in some free thought discussions. This forum is meant to be a place of conversation, not two or three people spamming the same opinions over and over on unrelated topics.

It's all fun to rant against the institution until you need a doctor or police or get invaded by a foreign power.

Exactly. If they want to take the OP off topic why not start their own topic, because I suspect they think they are better than the rest of us by giving trite answers like the vague "Kingdom of God" instead calling what they want is a theocracy. I will say people like this are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good. God made governments that man uses like the Monarchy.


Sorry OP for going off topic

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Scripture is always true. The kingdom of Yahweh is within us.
Why rebel against it ?

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[timothyu]

we would be less annoyed with your posting

We?

The Kingdom merely represents God's will in comparison to man's will within the world and within Christianity. Repentance will let you or anyone jump ship if you wish and be welcomed into the Kingdom with open arms. The only drawback may be others of the church of man getting on your case.

Those of the Kingdom can be ridiculed, discredited, even eliminated, but the Gospel of the Kingdom is unstoppable. The church of man will eventually receive it's only reward, the power and wealth it held in the world.

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[timothyu]

If they want to take the OP off topic

The topic is government, the answer is the governance of God. Hardly off topic.