What's so bad about condoms?

[cowboysfan1970]

With these prgnancy complication issues, they won't kill you unless you get pregnant, and even then there's no certainty that they will. Lots of marriages survive abstinence due to illness or potential illness. It would certainly be a cross to bear, but it can be done.

When I was 19 I got an infection that my doctor thought might be cancer because it wouldn't go away. He had to send me to a specialist who almost immediately knew how to correct it. It turned out to be nothing. He was worried about it and had to send me to the specialist because about a month before I went to see him another 19 year old had gone to him with something that seemed similar and he ended up being diagnosed with testicular cancer resulting in him having to be castrated to save his life. Of course that rendered him permanently infertile. I have never read or seen anything in the Bible that says that he would have to practice abstinence from then on. Now I'm not totally sure if you were suggesting that an infertile person should abstain from sex but if so that would be very thin ice for the person to be standing on who would make that kind of a claim. John Paul II was considered to be a conservative Pope by many but he didn't subscribe to that kind of thinking. That seems to be something that comes from the ultra conservative branch of Christianity and most of them seem to love the law more than they do God.

 

[EmbattledBunny]

When I was 19 I got an infection that my doctor thought might be cancer because it wouldn't go away. He had to send me to a specialist who almost immediately knew how to correct it. It turned out to be nothing. He was worried about it and had to send me to the specialist because about a month before I went to see him another 19 year old had gone to him with something that seemed similar and he ended up being diagnosed with testicular cancer resulting in him having to be castrated to save his life. Of course that rendered him permanently infertile. I have never read or seen anything in the Bible that says that he would have to practice abstinence from then on. Now I'm not totally sure if you were suggesting that an infertile person should abstain from sex but if so that would be very thin ice for the person to be standing on who would make that kind of a claim. John Paul II was considered to be a conservative Pope by many but he didn't subscribe to that kind of thinking. That seems to be something that comes from the ultra conservative branch of Christianity and most of them seem to love the law more than they do God.

Perhaps I haven't been clear. Operations to cure diseases, even if they cause one to be sterile, are fine. Operations for the purpose of preventing pregnancy are contraception and are not.

 

[epiclesis]

When I was 19 I got an infection that my doctor thought might be cancer because it wouldn't go away. He had to send me to a specialist who almost immediately knew how to correct it. It turned out to be nothing. He was worried about it and had to send me to the specialist because about a month before I went to see him another 19 year old had gone to him with something that seemed similar and he ended up being diagnosed with testicular cancer resulting in him having to be castrated to save his life. Of course that rendered him permanently infertile. I have never read or seen anything in the Bible that says that he would have to practice abstinence from then on. Now I'm not totally sure if you were suggesting that an infertile person should abstain from sex but if so that would be very thin ice for the person to be standing on who would make that kind of a claim. John Paul II was considered to be a conservative Pope by many but he didn't subscribe to that kind of thinking. That seems to be something that comes from the ultra conservative branch of Christianity and most of them seem to love the law more than they do God.

In that situation the fact that he became infertile was an indirect result of his procedure. It was not the direct intention of his procedure, therefore, there was nothing he did wrong, of course. Contraception/sterilization/abortion is bad when it's the direct intention, and not a sin when it is the indirect result of what happens as a result of something else.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

Now I understand. From what I read it sort of sounded like you considered any sexual act that didn't result in conception to be sinful. I know that's how it was back in St. Augustine's days and was even still somewhat doctrinal until the days of Pope Paul VI when he came out and proclaimed that infertile couples could have sexual relations and not be in sin. Even today there are still people in some corners of Christianity (including one in this very topic) that think that sex has but one function and one function only. That now seems to be found in very conservative and dogmatic churches but it's still around.