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What would the country be like if Biden won ?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by mikeforjesus, Nov 2, 2020.

  1. Archivist

    Archivist Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Proof of this please. And remember that it was Trump who claimed that Washington’s army captured airports during the revolution.
     
  2. Jamsie

    Jamsie Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It is amazing how trump supporters turn a blind eye to the myriad videos of trump slurring and mispronouncing "the best" words, incoherent ramblings, ignorance of history, and of course his created false "facts".
     
  3. Archivist

    Archivist Senior Veteran Supporter

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    You are correct, like his claims that the British attacked Fort McHenry during the revolution (it wasn’t built until 1803) or that the Spanish Flu ended World War II.
     
  4. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    I believe if Biden wins, which I think he will, he and Congress will bring the nation into a great depression and he'll blame Trump for it. Biden probably won't finish his four years and Harris will take over, making things worse.

    We'll also see COVID-19 run amok like nothing we seen yet as the government bureaucracy will fail to get a vaccine out to the public in an efficiently.
     
  5. Jamsie

    Jamsie Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So the present closing in on 28 trillion in debt and over a trillion in deficits has little to do with trump? Are you suggesting that COVID-19 isn't presently running "amok" and that only trump is capable of producing a vaccine? It would appear to any objective view that what you claim will happen under biden is already proceeding under trump....
     
  6. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Congress appropriates spending. That's in the Constitution.

    It takes the President to sign a spending budget sent by Congress, but the presidents haven't had veto power in a long time.
     
  7. Jamsie

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    I believe the process is well understood...but we do call it the trump tax cuts, should he have been more aware of the consequences. So if you prefer we can simply blame on a republican controlled congress... as republicans embrace socialism, of course only the corporate kind!
     
  8. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Trump got his tax cuts when the Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate.

    In all of my years watching our government, it functions best when the President is in the opposite party than the House or Senate.
    Then they can't do anything to us. Grid lock is often better than a government run amok.
     
  9. Jamsie

    Jamsie Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I would agree however, at this time do recall how mcconnell and ryan approached the obama administration...thus being named the party of no. I agree with your notion of "opposite" party yet that requires a commitment for what is best for the country...not the party. We simply live at a time where the two party system has failed, as have we... recall Reagan and O'Neill, think if O'Neill had taken a mcconnell stance and obstructed any of Reagan's vision.
     
  10. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    What we have today is hyper-partisanship in Congress.

    Neither part will compromise with the other and why nothing is getting done.
    But then, perhaps for us it's better than can't do anything to us either.

    As a wise old engineer once told me, repeating JFK's famous statement;

    "Ask not what your country can do for you, but as what your country can do TO you." :D
     
  11. mikeforjesus

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    I think trump will win and God showed me a dream he would before and that the world will end by 2030 and I suppose it could be earlier. I didn’t share it because I thought I should not base my decisions on fear and making people afraid or hinder God plans if it is just my imagination. But I don’t think the dream will come true but maybe to urge one to repent or join a church because God wants people not to be be sure when He will return it could be many other generations. Unless a Protestant can have assurance if he seeks and not just by faith a Protestant should join a church catholic or orthodox. Orthodox seems more biblical even though many church fathers seem to or could have supported the Catholic Church though I’m not sure you can be certain the earliest fathers did which is why I am not confident to teach others to leave that church if they do not have proof Catholic Church is true. But I think perhaps orthodoxy would accept Catholics if they didn’t know it was an error or some did but they never had an official position of the church until now because out of politics not to let orthodox lose hope in their salvation as orthodox if they accept Catholics. Or maybe they never accepted but I think they might have. The important thing is to join a church. I will be orthodox unless there is absolute proof that Catholic is true because I don’t think I can be sure it is right to make orthodox catholic if they are not absolutely sure as it also seems more biblical and it seems inappropriate to make divisions if it could be more true. Though maybe we should trust the Catholic Church but I don’t know. I won’t.


    Perhaps God thinks all have been sufficiently warned by Him by others or will be He did not leave them without warning as the bible says no temptation exists except which is common to man but God will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear but with the temptation make the way of escape. Perhaps you just have to have faith that God makes sure everyone is drawn to what they need to do and they know they don’t have assurance they know they may not have excuses for God has shown them that others who made them feel they don’t need to join the church might not be pleasing to God and he has been drawing them to believe they should follow the church but they didn’t want to take a risk to follow orthodoxy and they were not diligent enough to seek the wisest thing to do and they had not been following the commandments that they know they should if God would reveal it to them. It may be unfortunate that such people can not be saved but if there is a risk they are not saved and God sees it as just and we will understand later we have to leave them to God to give us understanding if we go to heaven as we believe if we complete the path we will. Maybe we could have saved other people but God was still fair and we have to understand some sinners can not make it without repentance as heaven cannot have sinners who did not show repentance and only us following Him can convince God to change His mind if they are converted by us

    what about those who had tragedies happen to their children who may have heard about orthodoxy before but did not have many chances to accept it and yet orthodox teach if they are not baptized and join the faith they go to hell. Or if God did not protect them to be alive could they possibly not be saved but not suffer in hell except a light punishment which is what Jesus means when He says one is beaten with few stripes that is few torments their torment is only they know they are seperated from heaven but they don’t have rememberance of their loved ones and they are with others to comfort them or some other explanation I can’t explain as that has issues for I believe they must be given some reason why they can’t enter heaven


    I think we have to earn our salvation and be under spiritual guides not to be ruled by them as Peter says not to but as helpers to give one the sacraments and to take from them what one is convinced is true. I am not sure the orthodox system is practical if people can stop others from being saved by forcing burdens hard to bear or somehow preventing something so I am not too sure to be commited to the church if it is abusive


    I may not do this now but I plan to do this because I want use to be saved but I may or may not follow it. I can not be sure it is true you need the church but I think one should join it as you may

    Edit: actually I don’t think you have to though you may

    Orthodox say if you are born orthodox you have to stay orthodox because it is the truth and you can’t choose another thing that is not true if you have the truth which it very well could be and it would be good if one can prove but not necessary as it is still possibly true by having the support potentially of apostolic fathers though one can not know for sure and one can not know from the bible alone that the Catholic Church is without a doubt true because it could be more clear I know one could say God would not want to force something that seems strange such as a person being rock and infallible instead of God but I don’t think God would hide it and he needs to. Orthodox also have the fault that priests are considered to know better than others but Jesus said He is the only teacher and there is no other mediator though others could have more gift but it is not only priest and it is given such knowledge to serve the body of Christ to as Paul said all are yours to not teach from themselves what they think is right but to convince with scripture the right thing and i suppose all can be teachers but some have the talent and will be more effective

    St. John said you do not need that anyone teach you

    It does not judge Catholics who do not know if orthodox have failed to show truth or Protestants but orthodox having been given more are required to try to grow more to add people to the church and make more saints or they are required to be saints and to add people to be saints but if others do not know the truth they are justified or that they are justified for not knowing if they are not capable of finding because no one was available to show them as God does not always guarantee everyone will find the truth if they happen not to have searched in the right places and they did not know a place they may need to search that they haven’t search yet. That’s why I don’t think Catholic Church is true church because how can Orthodox be expected to join ? I don’t think orthodox is either because I don’t think there is a true church but the church is made up of all believers and there is no one true church I think people just need to be Christian
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2020
  12. mikeforjesus

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    It is possible I should not listen to my fears because God always wanted people to have faith to believe in Him and repent but I don’t know
     
  13. timothyu

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    Chill. It's about the will of God, not of man.
     
  14. disciple Clint

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    You are making a big assumption about the condition of our nation in 2024.
     
  15. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    If (God forbid) Biden were to win, he wouldn't last six months in office. He would either resign, be declared unfit and removed, or would commit Clintonian suicide by shooting himself twice in the back of the head from a distance of 30 meters.

    And then.....we would get Kamala. Who is 50,000 times more dangerous than Biden ever thought of being.
     
  16. timothyu

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    What you are really giving power to is the people, the lunatic fringe of one side or the other.
     
  17. Jamsie

    Jamsie Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What is the big assumption?
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2020
  18. Joni Steele

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    If Biden wins, we would have Socialism !
     
  19. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Not until Harris takes over, which should be in about six months after the inauguration :D
     
  20. Joni Steele

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    So true! Biden is her lap dog!
     
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