What We Know About Trump’s Dinner With Nick Fuentes

[KCfromNC]

In an acknowledgment of the severity of the backlash and an effort to prevent a repeat, Trump’s campaign is putting new protocols in place to ensure that those who meet with him are approved and fully vetted, according to people familiar with the plans who requested anonymity to share internal strategy.

Something about horses and barn doors, I think?

 

[DaisyDay]

Actually, it's not just weird, it seems technically impossible - white supremacists hate Catholicism. It is not making sense IMHO.

White supremacists can be Catholic; perhaps you’re conflating them with Nazis?

 

[Hans Blaster]

White supremacists can be Catholic; perhaps you’re conflating them with Nazis?

The Nazis started in very Catholic Bavaria and were led by an Austrian. There were all kinds of Catholics in the NSDAP. Many (and all of the early) fascist movements arose from the Catholic far right.

There are plenty of white supremecists in the Catholic far right. I think what is confusing things is that the second rising of the KKK (about a century ago) was (in addition to being foundationally anti-Black) anti-immigrant, anti-Jewish, and anti-Catholic. The third rising (in the civil rights era) was not as popular, but retained these features and lead to many of the post-civil-rights era hate groups. These white supremacist groups do tend to hate Catholics, but I'm not sure that that even is a strong feature anymore.

 

[Lady Bug]

White supremacists can be Catholic; perhaps you’re conflating them with Nazis?

Perhaps I am, yeah - I thought all white supremacists were Nazis. Oops.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There are fine dinner companions on both sides.

Former President Trump accused Jewish leaders of a lack of “loyalty” on Friday, amid the ongoing fallout from his dinner with white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes.

“How quickly Jewish Leaders forgot that I was the best, by far, President for Israel,” Trump said in a post on Truth Social. “They should be ashamed of themselves. This lack of loyalty to their greatest friends and allies is why large numbers in Congress, and so many others, have stopped giving support to Israel.”

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

...either there's more of them than people are willing to admit, or the small percentage of them that do exist have some connections with people who are "juiced in" with some prominent political figures.

Otherwise a dinner meeting like this one being discussed would be so statistically improbable that it'd be nearly impossible.

Either the sentiments are more widely held than "just 9 guys in the Midwest" (as not every person having those views is going to be joining an officially designated, nationally-recognized hate organization), or the few that are out there are so well-connected via overlapping social circles that one of the "fringe few" happens to end up in this dinner meeting (which is still indicative of a problem)

The notion that a member of a small rag-tag group of fringe folks, with no elite connections, through random dumb luck, just happened to luck his way into a dinner meeting with a former president (and future candidate) at the former president's private resort is a bit of a dubious proposition.

"According to the report, Trump went on what he assumed was a private dinner with Ye after weeks of phone conversations between the former president and world-famous music artist.

Trump has claimed that he did not know about Fuentes or his background when they sat down for dinner. Fuentes himself has also confirmed that the former president did not appear to know anything about him.

In conversations with NBC News, Fuentes saw everybody get up and start applauding as Trump entered the dining hall. He then invited Ye to sit with him, and the rapper said that he wanted to bring Fuentes and two other guests to the table. Trump obliged, and the group sat at a reserved table on the patio.

 

[DaisyDay]

"According to the report, Trump went on what he assumed was a private dinner with Ye after weeks of phone conversations between the former president and world-famous music artist.

Private dinner in full view of the public dues-paying members and their guests. If he wanted a private dinner, why didn't he have it in his private quarters?

Trump has claimed that he did not know about Fuentes or his background when they sat down for dinner. Fuentes himself has also confirmed that the former president did not appear to know anything about him.

In conversations with NBC News, Fuentes saw everybody get up and start applauding as Trump entered the dining hall. He then invited Ye to sit with him, and the rapper said that he wanted to bring Fuentes and two other guests to the table. Trump obliged, and the group sat at a reserved table on the patio.

Meh, even if it would have made a difference had Trump known who Fuentes is, he still had dinner with Ye. How is Nick Fuentes different from Stephen Miller, one of his senior advisers?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Private dinner in full view of the public dues-paying members and their guests. If he wanted a private dinner, why didn't he have it in his private quarters?


Meh, even if it would have made a difference had Trump known who Fuentes is, he still had dinner with Ye. How is Nick Fuentes different from Stephen Miller, one of his senior advisers?

Nick Fuentes said we need a dictatorship

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590763508043771905

But honestly, Trump absolutely knows who Ye is and still dined with someone who say anti-Semitic things. That was Trump’s choice. Knowing who Fuentes is or not is immaterial. Trump knowingly dined with someone who is open with his hate.

Though I will point out, the Secret Service absolutely knew who Fuentes is. There is no way you can get seated at a dinner table with a former president without them running a background check on you.

 

[Pommer]

Private dinner in full view of the public dues-paying members and their guests. If he wanted a private dinner, why didn't he have it in his private quarters?

C’mon now, had he done this it’d’ve been portrayed as even worse!

Meh, even if it would have made a difference had Trump known who Fuentes is, he still had dinner with Ye. How is Nick Fuentes different from Stephen Miller, one of his senior advisers?

I’ll give ya this one.

 

[Desk trauma]

How is Nick Fuentes different from Stephen Miller, one of his senior advisers?

Honesty about what he wants.

 

[Hank77]

His name is Fuentes and he is a "white" supremacist?!?!?

According to Fuentes, he is of Mexican descent via his paternal ancestors and is Catholic.[26][1]

Nick Fuentes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As of 2020, 62 million or 18.7% of residents of the United States of America identified as Hispanic or Latino of which 12.5 million or 20.3% self-identified as white alone[13] down from the 2019 American Community Survey when 38.3 million, or 65.5% of Latinos self-identified as white.[14]

White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Private dinner in full view of the public dues-paying members and their guests. If he wanted a private dinner, why didn't he have it in his private quarters?


Meh, even if it would have made a difference had Trump known who Fuentes is, he still had dinner with Ye. How is Nick Fuentes different from Stephen Miller, one of his senior advisers?

Just reporting what was actually reported in the press. You will have to direct the "why didn't you" questions to Trump directly. He doesn't run his dinner plans by me.

 

[essentialsaltes]

A national survey found that Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to agree that prejudice against Jews is a serious problem and that antisemitismposes a growing threat to Jews.

The divide between Republicans and Democrats in the Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday tracks with previous polling — but it also comes after weeks of antisemitic invective from the rapper and designer Kanye West, who now identifies as a Christian conservative and who has courted Republicans.

It also comes after former US president Donald Trump, a Republican, dined with West, who is now known as Ye, and Nick Fuentes, a prominent Holocaust denier

 

[essentialsaltes]

Milo Yiannopoulos Caught in Marjorie Taylor Greene-Kanye West Campaign Cash Scandal​

Alt-right agitator Milo Yiannopoulos used the credit card for Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s (R-GA) campaign last November to purchase an internet domain for Kanye West’s still unannounced 2024 presidential bid, and he was reimbursed for “domain transfer” by the West campaign the same day for $3,000 above cost, according to receipts obtained by The Daily Beast and a person with knowledge of the events.

The receipts match Federal Election Commission filings from both campaigns. Those filings show that on Nov. 22, the Greene campaign reported a $7,020.16 expense to the GoDaddy hosting service for “domain registration and hosting.” That same day, the Kanye 2020 committee reported paying Yiannopoulos $9,955 for “domain transfer.”

The transactions occurred on the same day that West—now known as Ye—infamously dined at Mar-a-Lago with former President Donald Trump and white supremacist Nick Fuentes, who had been advising Ye throughout the rapper’s highly publicized Hitler-loving meltdown last fall.

The transactions are coming to light after Ye’s latest treasurer, Patrick Krason, resigned on Monday—the second treasurer to jump ship within the last six months. A leaked internal email, first reported by Politico, shows Krason expressing concern that Yiannopoulos had “submitted falsified invoices for expenditures that would be deemed unlawful.”

 

[DaisyDay]

It's a bit confusing.

Brendan Fischer, a campaign finance law specialist and deputy executive director at watchdog Document, told The Daily Beast that if the Greene campaign paid for Kanye’s web domain, “that’s an excessive and unreported in-kind contribution to his campaign.”

Fischer also noted that if Yiannopoulos charged the Greene campaign’s card without the campaign’s knowledge, “then he may have committed a range of serious violations—including, potentially, causing Greene’s campaign to file false reports with the government.”​

So who knew what and when? Yinanopoulos appears to be the main culprit.

 

[essentialsaltes]

EXCLUSIVE: Capitol Hill Staffer Is A Prominent Follower Of Neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes​

Evidence shows Congressman Paul Gosar’s digital director is behind an online persona that Fuentes called one of his “strongest soldiers.”

“Gosar has repeatedly opened the door for and offered his own credibility to Fuentes, who otherwise would have very little of his own as the leader of a small and pretty insulated racist group. Gosar appears to be under the mistaken impression that people like Fuentes and his pals are the future rather than what they actually are — small thinkers who try in vain to resuscitate the corpses of failed dictators and despots,” said Martin, adding, “They’ll continue to freeload off Gosar’s status as long as it’s beneficial, all the while calling him naive behind his back. And in the meantime, the congressman gets what? Praise from a small faction of people who also praise Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini?”

By associating with Fuentes, Gosar has repeatedly exposed himself to political risk and controversy. He also has apparently relied on an aide whose main credentials seem to come from Fuentes’ white supremacist movement. Searle is unusually young and appears to lack a college degree or prior government work. His primary political experience came as a “soldier” in Fuentes’ Groyper army.

Hemmer, the Vanderbilt historian, noted the presence of a Groyper on Gosar’s staff indicates a “deeper” tie between the congressman and the movement. Rather than simply personal affinity or interest, Hemmer said it evidenced “a broader social and political set of connections.” She also said the presence of a Groyper on Capitol Hill represented an alarming level of growth for the movement.

 

[Hans Blaster]

EXCLUSIVE: Capitol Hill Staffer Is A Prominent Follower Of Neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes​

Evidence shows Congressman Paul Gosar’s digital director is behind an online persona that Fuentes called one of his “strongest soldiers.”

“Gosar has repeatedly opened the door for and offered his own credibility to Fuentes, who otherwise would have very little of his own as the leader of a small and pretty insulated racist group. Gosar appears to be under the mistaken impression that people like Fuentes and his pals are the future rather than what they actually are — small thinkers who try in vain to resuscitate the corpses of failed dictators and despots,” said Martin, adding, “They’ll continue to freeload off Gosar’s status as long as it’s beneficial, all the while calling him naive behind his back. And in the meantime, the congressman gets what? Praise from a small faction of people who also praise Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini?”

By associating with Fuentes, Gosar has repeatedly exposed himself to political risk and controversy. He also has apparently relied on an aide whose main credentials seem to come from Fuentes’ white supremacist movement. Searle is unusually young and appears to lack a college degree or prior government work. His primary political experience came as a “soldier” in Fuentes’ Groyper army.

Hemmer, the Vanderbilt historian, noted the presence of a Groyper on Gosar’s staff indicates a “deeper” tie between the congressman and the movement. Rather than simply personal affinity or interest, Hemmer said it evidenced “a broader social and political set of connections.” She also said the presence of a Groyper on Capitol Hill represented an alarming level of growth for the movement.

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