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What turns me away #3

Discussion in 'Struggles by Non-Christians' started by primarymay, Nov 21, 2017.

  1. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    I don't believe in "love Jesus or go to hell", that's not something I believe, and it's not why I believe.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  2. com7fy8

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    He is practical. And people reap so much more than they sow.
     
  3. com7fy8

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    Jesus wept for Jerusalem. But there is vengeance and destruction for ones who go against God. So, it is wise not to be an enemy or stand in His way, if you don't like wrath and judgment; but making ourselves the judges of God will not work.
     
  4. primarymay

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    You heretic! Thinking like that will get you into trouble. There's no free thought in religion, that only leads to revolution.
     
  5. primarymay

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    I do not live under a bridge, and I do not eat children.
     
  6. primarymay

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    If Jesus died for nothing then why would there be a hell?
     
  7. ~Anastasia~

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    We all get to choose what we will believe and what we will become. God grants us that dignity.
     
  8. Dirk1540

    Dirk1540 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Can't this be analogous to a straight arrow friendly neighborhood sheriff who greets people with a smile and helps old people across the street, but who cracks skulls when a heinous criminal wreaks havoc on his town? Of course the analogy will break down at some point, but the gist is there.
     
  9. primarymay

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    I condemn the character I've been presented with, it's not a nice picture.
     
  10. primarymay

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    The bible never teaches those things we disagree with, but only what we agree with. It seems the reason there are so many varied opinions on biblical doctrine, would be because each person interprets the bible in light of their own ethical world view.
     
  11. primarymay

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    Yes, then what do you take literally and what do you not take literally.

    Who chooses?
     
  12. primarymay

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    I don't think that's entirely true, some thing's effect us that are out of our control.
     
  13. ~Anastasia~

    ~Anastasia~ † Servant of God † Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    This is true.

    But we do choose how we respond to them.

    My reply was based on the fact that you seem to wish to cling to your misconceptions that offend you, and remain offended, when offered an answer to your original question?

    That would represent a choice, if you do. Forgive me, of course I don't know you, or what has happened in your life, or what you really thiink. All I can do is attempt to give an answer to your question, which was a very valid one. It bothers me to see people struggle because of wrong teaching, when knowing the truth could solve their problems. But again, we all have the freedom to make choices regarding what we will believe.

    Peace to you.
     
  14. primarymay

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    Belief doesn't get you to truth, if you know something absolutely true it no longer becomes something you believe.
     
  15. War_Eagle

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    No. Christ's mercy is shown at the cross, not at judgment.

    Which doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about.

    If you had ever read the Bible, you would be.
     
  16. War_Eagle

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    But you are trolling.
     
  17. ToBeLoved

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    We all need to pray that this poor guy spends 1/10th of the time finding out what the Bible actually says, instead of thinking of every Christian he's ever had a conversation with and struggling with God's character that he's probably never actually even spent 10 minutes reading about who God is in the Bible.

    I think he needs to post actual verses prooving God's character flaws, in his mind.
     
  18. AservantofGodandthelordJC

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    Faith is required as a step toward the truth, in fact believing in disbelief is the same as belief because it isn't true. If you even have beliefs or disbelief then you do not know what the truth is yet. No belief should be held as true until it is undoubtedly so.
     
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  19. primarymay

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    I agree, it takes a leap of faith to get to the truth. But once you have the truth it no longer requires belief. Why keep believing if you know the truth?
     
  20. AservantofGodandthelordJC

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    If you knew the truth you wouldn't have need for belief anymore. If you're talking about me, nothing I share is a belief unless specifically stated. I am aware of the truth but I am not in the truth, if that makes sense. Just like how you feel religious people are insane, I feel that way about everyone because only the truth is sane. Absolute forgiveness of everyone for everything without the tiniest shred of judgement is reality. That's why you forgive, because it is sane, it is true.

    " 'I have chosen the way of faithfulness;
    I have set my heart on your laws.' (Psalm 119:30)"

    " 'God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.' (John 4:24)"
     
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