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What To Do About certain "Orthodox" FB group

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by GregConstantine, Feb 28, 2014.

  1. Steinbeck

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    With regard to Orthodox Facebook groups, I found more Orthodoxy in "Ask an Orthodox Hipster" than I did in "Ask an Orthodox Priest."
     
  2. Philothei

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    ^_^
     
  3. Philothei

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    [​IMG]

    jachstraw are you sleeping with a shamrock on your forehead ? that is cool!:D

    I am a member never gone before there but I will just out of curiosity and no I do not care about the 'what the other will think' I think that is a scare tactic I think FB cares about commerce and does seem to get data to see what product they can sell you...
     
  4. Mariya116

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    Guilt tripping others into assisting the poor? Did I hear you right?
     
  5. ArmyMatt

    ArmyMatt Regular Member Supporter

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    no, I know Greg, that is not what he meant. he was referring to these social programs that do it devoid of God's love. we do it to pat ourselves on the back, not because they are God's children as well. where the object of the social justice is the self, and not the other.
     
  6. katherine2001

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    Do we do them to pat ourselves on the back, or are we doing them because we Christians aren't doing it? After all, if we Christians were living the last passage in Matthew 25, the Government wouldn't have to do it. However, if we Christians won't do it (maybe because we see them as lazy bums who won't work), then the Government has to do it.
     
  7. Mariya116

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    Long before governments helped the poor, Christians did it. Why do hospitals bear the names of saints? The government has its job, and we have ours. People don't usually advertise their charitable doings, but everyone I know well who calls himself a Christian is involved in some sort of charity - usually little, but regular. It's little to us, but a lot to our recipients.
     
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  8. freedomissacred

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    I think that really does happen. There are those who get competitive about it and use it as a tactic to separate out who is affluent from who isn't. Many liberal charity groups do this to a disgusting degree. They practice bigotry against the poor and if they see someone who appears neither poor nor wealthy (the true Christian lifestyle) they'll do it so they can figure out if they should allow that person to continue in fellowship. If they can force a person to openly engage in charity, they can bring the person into their gossip about sources of income, relationships with other relatives, etc and they can co-erce political opinions about particular charity campaigns.


    Social welfare theology is a complete heresy and a terrible scourge against the poor. Among true Christians, socialist-style living is a natural by-product of loving each other as ourselves, thus it is natural relationship, and not a form of public display or qualification. Demands to publicly participate in so-called "charities" are always demands that you sin against those you exploit as recipients because you are using them to satisfy your guilt-needs in exactly the same way someone uses someone less fortunate as a prostitute to satisfy their uncontrolled sex-needs. It is exactly the same horrific sin against the prostitute as well as against society.
     
  9. RKO

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    Boom! This...

    Heck if all Christians actually lived the gospel (myself as the worst offender) we wouldn't need government.
     
  10. RKO

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    In all my years spewing my opinions on the internet, I don't think I've ever disagreed with anything as profoundly as I disagree with this. I mean, as you paint with a very very broad brush. You just won the internet for today.
     
  11. Monica child of God 1

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    I'm a member of that group though not active in it at all. I think it's wrong to make assumptions about people based on FB membership. the word 'progressive' is not pejorative. This desire to draw a line of 'us' and 'them' among brothers and sisters is often sinful. The brothers and sisters you don't agree with are still your brothers and sisters.
     
  12. GregConstantine

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    they are the ones drawing a line, not us. We are trying to be faithful to the teachings of the Church and obeying her precepts, which are the precepts of our Lord, God, and Saviour Jesus Christ. They are drawing lines in the sand by using such labels as "Progressive" and misleading other people away from the sublime teachings fo the Church. I make no judgments about any individuals and their standing before God, and I don't think anyone else here on this forum is doing any such thing either. To recognize falsity from Truth is not passing judgment on anyone. That group is confusing people about what the Church teaches about human sexuality, which is a teaching about what it means to be a human being. I had to explain to someone looking into Orthodoxy that that "Progressive Group" does not represent the teachings of the Church and had to explain to her that we do not teach that marriage is for two people of the same gender. So if it made her confused, who knows how many more people it has confused?
     
  13. Monica child of God 1

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    How can you characterize every member of a group based on the few posts that come to the top off the FB feed? You cannot KNOW for a fact what people believe and think based on the fact that they joined a group on FB.

    You cannot know why every member joined.
    You cannot know what ever member believes.
    You cannot know if posts are representative of a vocal minority, the majority or (far less likely) the entire group.
    You cannot surmise what the term progressive means to each person.
    You cannot presume to know how traditional each person is.
    You cannot conclude what every member believes about homosexuality based on a few posts.

    To put it simply: You cannot know anyone's heart, how Orthodox or not anyone is, because you are not God.

    It is not a sin (in and of itself) to talk about controversial topics or consider different view points.

    M.
     
  14. rusmeister

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    People are throwing around the word "progressive"; I'd like to offer one of the greatest observations ever on the idea of what progress IS:
    (Every sentence would need to be underlined and bolded)

    GKC, "Heretics" (ch 2)

    And this, I think, you'll find to be the problem on this FB page by many or most of the people who use the term.
     
  15. gurneyhalleck1

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    :thumbsup:

     
  16. GregConstantine

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    "You cannot know why every member joined.
    You cannot know what ever member believes.
    You cannot know if posts are representative of a vocal minority, the majority or (far less likely) the entire group.
    You cannot surmise what the term progressive means to each person.
    You cannot presume to know how traditional each person is.
    You cannot conclude what every member believes about homosexuality based on a few posts.

    To put it simply: You cannot know anyone's heart, how Orthodox or not anyone is, because you are not God."


    Right, but no one is doing any of this. We can however determine what the group in and of itself believes and supports, and that is self evident. The fruits of that group as the example I gave before, is discord and confusion.
     
  17. GregConstantine

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    We can also determine what is Orthodox, and what is not.
     
  18. Monica child of God 1

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    I think you are doing those things by painting this group and it's members as a problem to be dealt with, as if you had the authority to determine such things, and judging their perspectives as a whole as if this FB group speaks with one mind and voice, which it does not.

    Besides, discord and confusion is a hallmark of the internet! TAW has had its fair share of it over the years as do plenty of "traditional" sites and boards.

    M.
     
  19. RKO

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    :clap::clap::clap:
     
  20. RKO

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    Monica, thank you so very much. I admit to struggling with being part of large groups of my own church (CATHOLIC, not Orthodox, so do NOT be offended please!) who paint with such a large brush and seem to have forgotten about Jesus' words to those who will pass their own judgment. Simply put, that to me points out an insecurity in their own faith.

    Still, to me, the goal seems to be to cast out those whose beliefs are not as constrained and fundamental as theirs. So I constantly think maybe I don't fit.

    I wish everyone, or at least everyone who posts on internet forums ;) were as Christian as you.

    Faith in God is so simple. Rabbi Hillel had it right when asked to summarize the Torah while standing on one foot: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The rest is commentary. Now go and learn it."
     
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