What the....?

[Dorothea]

I just read this:


North Carolina May Pay Eugenics Victims $50,000 Each
January 11th, 2012

Via: AP:

As many as 2,000 people forcibly sterilized decades ago in North Carolina should get $50,000 each, a task force said Tuesday, marking the first time a state has moved to compensate victims of eugenics programs that weeded out the “feeble-minded” and others deemed undesirable.

The payout, which could amount to as much as $100 million, still needs approval from the Legislature. But the prospects for passage of some sort of compensation are promising, since the governor immediately embraced the recommendation, and the House speaker has come out in favor of payments.
While dozens of states had programs in the 20th century that allowed people to be sterilized against their will in the name of improving the human race, none of the others has offered anything more than apologies.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=26910


I had no idea this had ever happened in this country. :o

 

[inconsequential]

When I was a child I knew a man who had been sterilized under a eugenics program, though I didn't understand why or what it really meant.

 

[Thekla]

I just read this:


North Carolina May Pay Eugenics Victims $50,000 Each
January 11th, 2012

Via: AP:

As many as 2,000 people forcibly sterilized decades ago in North Carolina should get $50,000 each, a task force said Tuesday, marking the first time a state has moved to compensate victims of eugenics programs that weeded out the “feeble-minded” and others deemed undesirable.

The payout, which could amount to as much as $100 million, still needs approval from the Legislature. But the prospects for passage of some sort of compensation are promising, since the governor immediately embraced the recommendation, and the House speaker has come out in favor of payments.
While dozens of states had programs in the 20th century that allowed people to be sterilized against their will in the name of improving the human race, none of the others has offered anything more than apologies.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=26910


I had no idea this had ever happened in this country. :o

Lord have mercy +

yes.
and also experimentation with STDs on people (syphillis, iirc)

Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MariaRegina]

There was a movie about this. We had to see this movie in our psychology class. Lord have mercy.

Many people who were "mentally" ill or who had low IQ scores were sterilized without their consent.

Prisoners were often used as guinea pigs for drug companies.

Even members of the military were given experimental vaccines. My husband was disabled by an early vaccine. He was not given a choice.
His name was called and he was inoculated.

 

[Joshua G.]

Yea Eugenics! Yea Margaret Sanger! Yea Mr. Romero, winner of the 2011 Maragaret Sanger Award given by Planned Parenthood! Yea Pro-choice!

 

[ArmyMatt]

ugh, Lord have mercy!

 

[rusmeister]

I knew about it.

You have to understand that eugenics (which is alive and well, and carefully not called by that name) was VERY popular, both in the scientific world and in the popular mind a century ago. G. K. Chesterton wrote his condemnation of it when he was almost the only one against it. (another reason for admiring that colossal genius for, like Maximus the Confessor, being right when everyone else was wrong)

Eugenics and Other Evils

It was Nazi Germany that bore out his predictions and made eugenics wildly unpopular, so much so that the science all but disappeared for a several decades, and Planned Parenthood was at that point renamed.

 

[Joshua G.]

renamed from what?

 

[truefiction1]

Yes, faulty social constructs; the notion of the importance of the sacrifice of individuals for the good of the collective--strikes again... and will strike yet again... and again and again...

“And you do not consider that is profitable for us that one man should die instead of the nation, and not that the whole nation perish.” John 18:14 (Caiaphas convincing the Jews that Christ should be killed).

 

[Kyprian]

All I'll say, all anyone can really say is....Lord, have mercy!

 

[MKJ]

I knew about it.

You have to understand that eugenics (which is alive and well, and carefully not called by that name) was VERY popular, both in the scientific world and in the popular mind a century ago. G. K. Chesterton wrote his condemnation of it when he was almost the only one against it. (another reason for admiring that colossal genius for, like Maximus the Confessor, being right when everyone else was wrong)

Eugenics and Other Evils

It was Nazi Germany that bore out his predictions and made eugenics wildly unpopular, so much so that the science all but disappeared for a several decades, and Planned Parenthood was at that point renamed.

Yes, I think we often forget the extent to which people were really enamored by it, and really hoped that it might be really good for people and society. There were very many otherwise upright people that bought into the idea that it could be a wonderful thing to one extent or another.

It was seeing the cold hard application of it and its consequences that caused many people to turn away from that road. It's hard to look at it from this side of the second WW and imagine what it looked like to folks on the other end - the images that come to our mind are too powerful.

 

[Dorothea]

There was a movie about this. We had to see this movie in our psychology class. Lord have mercy.

Many people who were "mentally" ill or who had low IQ scores were sterilized without their consent.

Prisoners were often used as guinea pigs for drug companies.

Even members of the military were given experimental vaccines. My husband was disabled by an early vaccine. He was not given a choice.
His name was called and he was inoculated.

This is horrible!

 

[Dorothea]

Lord have mercy +

yes.
and also experimentation with STDs on people (syphillis, iirc)

Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am at a loss for words....none can describe how awful this is and what Maria said.

 

[Protoevangel]

You may want to take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

I remember starting to hear about this stuff about 20 years ago regarding radiation experiments on people without their knowledge or consent, performed by our own government. Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act... I thought to myself, what will we learn in another 30 or 50 years, that they are doing today?

It's all in the distant past though, right? They'd never think of doing secret experiments on citizens these days, right? Nah, only an imbecile or conspiracy theory nut would ever think anything like that could possibly still happen.

 

[Dorothea]

You may want to take a look at this: Unethical human experimentation in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I remember starting to hear about this stuff about 20 years ago regarding radiation experiments on people without their knowledge or consent, performed by our own government. Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act... I thought to myself, what will we learn in another 30 or 50 years, that they are doing today?

It's all in the distant past though, right? They'd never think of doing secret experiments on citizens these days, right? Nah, only an imbecile or conspiracy theory nut would ever think anything like that could possibly still happen.

The word "imbecile" always cracks me up. My dad used to use that word a lot. Sorry, didn't mean to make a joke out of what you said.

It's sobering, and there are so many people in this country that think our government is right on just about everything, and that we have the best in the world, and it wouldn't do unethical, immoral things....although, it seems more people are waking up to this through other avenues, such as the Occupy Wall Street mess.

 

[Knee V]

I'm very grateful that none of the inoculations that I received in the military took away my fertility. I'd been thinking recently of all the shots that I received and how I really have no clue what any of them were. So far I've seen no negative effects.

As a general rule, the worst things imaginable that people could do to people are being/will be done by those in power, but masked or given a different name so that they're either hidden from or welcomed by the people. We should not be surprised by that.

 

[MKJ]

I'm very grateful that none of the inoculations that I received in the military took away my fertility. I'd been thinking recently of all the shots that I received and how I really have no clue what any of them were. So far I've seen no negative effects.

As a general rule, the worst things imaginable that people could do to people are being/will be done by those in power, but masked or given a different name so that they're either hidden from or welcomed by the people. We should not be surprised by that.

Would they be on your medical record? We used to get in big trouble if we lost our book that they filled out every time we got an inoculation.

 

[Knee V]

Would they be on your medical record? We used to get in big trouble if we lost our book that they filled out every time we got an inoculation.

It probably is. I just don't know that every one that I (or anyone else) got would necessarily be recorded.

 

[Dorothea]

I'm very grateful that none of the inoculations that I received in the military took away my fertility. I'd been thinking recently of all the shots that I received and how I really have no clue what any of them were. So far I've seen no negative effects.

As a general rule, the worst things imaginable that people could do to people are being/will be done by those in power, but masked or given a different name so that they're either hidden from or welcomed by the people. We should not be surprised by that.

I understand (to a certain extent). My husband had all those shots. He was in the air force for 21 years. One time, back in like 2005 I think it was, he had the Anthrax shot and the small pox shot at the same time (and another shot, but I can't remember what that one was). He seems ok though after all those shots.

True, on your second paragraph. I have just been realizing this over the past 2-3 years....at least my eyes are being opened though.

 

[88Devin07]

There was a time when the whole world looked to Germany for an advancement of humans and eugenics. The United States was a popular place for eugenics, many were euthanized and sterilized. I think the major reason it was stopped was because everyone saw its true face after Nazi Germany was defeated and they saw the consequences of eugenics.

Let's all hope and pray that eugenics is dead. I've heard of some who want to bring it back, I hope heheh never accomplish their goals.