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I haven't posted in this subforum yet, but the Holy Spirit gave me the impulse for this post. And I'm now eager to share with you my view on what saves in Christianity, which I came to after a diligent search that lasted several years. Please share what you think. As a spoiler, there is nothing sect-like or destructive, nor anything unchristian it it. I speak as originally an Orthodox Christian, but who have had fellowship with Protestant christians over a course of several years and a good Catholic friend. Having had this soup of influences working on me, I have developed a formula -- an understanding of what really saves (and not without much tribulation in the process). And I am eager to share it with those who like me have been asking the main question, but always felt they still haven't seen the answer, though they searched everywhere. What really saves?
Initially as an Orthodox Christian I had been very strict to adhere to teachings of the fathers of my church without asking a question off. But due to circumstances my mind had been opened to other things and I was able to get out of the box and to understand the things for what they really are, unbiased by fear. But I do not renounce my baptism or the Orthodox church. The truth only set me free and I am no longer afraid, because I now UNDERSTAND what the Christian teaching is about. Please hear me out and this will be your food to me – a morsel to a hungry soul.
We are wineskins. Ones which have the inner side all nasty because of the sin-nature -- a plague that infects the inner wall of it, and which is a horrible site, almost like a leper just on the inside. Our sin-nature was inherited by us from our parents and persists until the day we die. Nothing can help. It is a bundle of lusts -- a thorn in the flesh that tries to work evil through us. It is our shame and nakedness (for God's eyes are the other way around -- they look from the inside — not from the outside). But there is a remedy -- it is the wine or in other words the clothing of the Holy Spirit, that when fills us to the brim, washes us on the inside and atones for its uncleanness, also deadening the snakes of our lusts that keep their home inside the our walls. Being made drunk they fall asleep. It also clothes us with itself, making us ready for the evrerlasting feast. It is a lamp full of oil that makes our eyes see the way and not stumble.
But the holes make the wine to always flow out and to never wash and cover the shame of the inner wall. This is why we must always watch our conscience – for those that forsake such doing, shipwreck themselves and cause the Spirit of faith to be lost through the cracks of the ship that they are. But it is not the sin deed itself that wrecks our conscience – for a person only becomes unclean when he or she REALIZES that he or she stepped into something unclean (Leviticus 5:3). Therefore it is the GUILT, but sin itself cannot harm until it is realized by us, which is why we are told we don’t have to judge ourself by another man’s consicence (1 Corinthians 10:29) as well as must avoid sensitizing conscience of others to things that are not important (Romans 14:15). But if our conscience is seared, we must cry out to God, asking Him to show our sins that are there. Whoever asks, let hm or her believe that they receive by praising and thanking God that they are not receiving – until they fell they have received. Our praise is an action that makes our faith alive and according to our faith oit is given to us. If if it doesn’t work, cry, for tears move God and He hears. No sin is unforgivable, because the sting of death was completely chopped off, commandment is for man and not man for the commandment (Mark 2:27), and because even if God says a man shall surely die, yet if he or she repents, God will relent (Ezekiel 33:14). Knock and it shall be opened, for which person does not open when his neighbor knocks until he drives him crazy?
The sin is as hot coals that soon burns a hole in the wineskin if not quickly removed. It is like manna, which makes us stronger if we process it with our stomach and keep its lessons, but which soon spoils if we neglect to deal with it and brings the anger of God upon us (Exodus 16:20).
But the sin nature is another kind of sin and unlike the first kind cannot be removed, but only covered and atoned for – no one can say they have none of it and not lie (1 John 1:10). Like the dirty robes were removed from Joshua in though Satan tried to resist it, so also ours will be removed from us when we pass to the eternal world.
Those that have the Spirit of faith, have crossed from death to life and will not come to the Judgement when they die with it. But those that had died without it will be judged by the works they did to other Christians (Matthew 25) but in which they have not trusted for salvation like the foolish farmer. These are the blood of grapes, the works of our hands through Jesus Christ in us at the time, and they will provide the last washing at the Judgement if we come to it. But if we trusted in them to save us, we received the seal of this world upon our heads – a seal of a created spirit (because works are creations of hands), who is the willing and not weak spirit, and who is as strong as the three cords that are not easily broken -- a spirit who is not the everlasting God who hasn’t ever been created but always was. This spirit is be symbolized by a 666, because God CREATED everything in 6 days and so everything created can be symbolized by 6. Faith in anything created cannot save, but only in God alone, whom Jesus Christ was – having come in the flesh – the everlasting Word that became flesh. Trust alone in the presence of him inside, for YOUR salvation!
Glory to Jesus!
I haven't posted in this subforum yet, but the Holy Spirit gave me the impulse for this post. And I'm now eager to share with you my view on what saves in Christianity, which I came to after a diligent search that lasted several years. Please share what you think. As a spoiler, there is nothing sect-like or destructive, nor anything unchristian it it. I speak as originally an Orthodox Christian, but who have had fellowship with Protestant christians over a course of several years and a good Catholic friend. Having had this soup of influences working on me, I have developed a formula -- an understanding of what really saves (and not without much tribulation in the process). And I am eager to share it with those who like me have been asking the main question, but always felt they still haven't seen the answer, though they searched everywhere. What really saves?
Initially as an Orthodox Christian I had been very strict to adhere to teachings of the fathers of my church without asking a question off. But due to circumstances my mind had been opened to other things and I was able to get out of the box and to understand the things for what they really are, unbiased by fear. But I do not renounce my baptism or the Orthodox church. The truth only set me free and I am no longer afraid, because I now UNDERSTAND what the Christian teaching is about. Please hear me out and this will be your food to me – a morsel to a hungry soul.
We are wineskins. Ones which have the inner side all nasty because of the sin-nature -- a plague that infects the inner wall of it, and which is a horrible site, almost like a leper just on the inside. Our sin-nature was inherited by us from our parents and persists until the day we die. Nothing can help. It is a bundle of lusts -- a thorn in the flesh that tries to work evil through us. It is our shame and nakedness (for God's eyes are the other way around -- they look from the inside — not from the outside). But there is a remedy -- it is the wine or in other words the clothing of the Holy Spirit, that when fills us to the brim, washes us on the inside and atones for its uncleanness, also deadening the snakes of our lusts that keep their home inside the our walls. Being made drunk they fall asleep. It also clothes us with itself, making us ready for the evrerlasting feast. It is a lamp full of oil that makes our eyes see the way and not stumble.
But the holes make the wine to always flow out and to never wash and cover the shame of the inner wall. This is why we must always watch our conscience – for those that forsake such doing, shipwreck themselves and cause the Spirit of faith to be lost through the cracks of the ship that they are. But it is not the sin deed itself that wrecks our conscience – for a person only becomes unclean when he or she REALIZES that he or she stepped into something unclean (Leviticus 5:3). Therefore it is the GUILT, but sin itself cannot harm until it is realized by us, which is why we are told we don’t have to judge ourself by another man’s consicence (1 Corinthians 10:29) as well as must avoid sensitizing conscience of others to things that are not important (Romans 14:15). But if our conscience is seared, we must cry out to God, asking Him to show our sins that are there. Whoever asks, let hm or her believe that they receive by praising and thanking God that they are not receiving – until they fell they have received. Our praise is an action that makes our faith alive and according to our faith oit is given to us. If if it doesn’t work, cry, for tears move God and He hears. No sin is unforgivable, because the sting of death was completely chopped off, commandment is for man and not man for the commandment (Mark 2:27), and because even if God says a man shall surely die, yet if he or she repents, God will relent (Ezekiel 33:14). Knock and it shall be opened, for which person does not open when his neighbor knocks until he drives him crazy?
The sin is as hot coals that soon burns a hole in the wineskin if not quickly removed. It is like manna, which makes us stronger if we process it with our stomach and keep its lessons, but which soon spoils if we neglect to deal with it and brings the anger of God upon us (Exodus 16:20).
But the sin nature is another kind of sin and unlike the first kind cannot be removed, but only covered and atoned for – no one can say they have none of it and not lie (1 John 1:10). Like the dirty robes were removed from Joshua in though Satan tried to resist it, so also ours will be removed from us when we pass to the eternal world.
Those that have the Spirit of faith, have crossed from death to life and will not come to the Judgement when they die with it. But those that had died without it will be judged by the works they did to other Christians (Matthew 25) but in which they have not trusted for salvation like the foolish farmer. These are the blood of grapes, the works of our hands through Jesus Christ in us at the time, and they will provide the last washing at the Judgement if we come to it. But if we trusted in them to save us, we received the seal of this world upon our heads – a seal of a created spirit (because works are creations of hands), who is the willing and not weak spirit, and who is as strong as the three cords that are not easily broken -- a spirit who is not the everlasting God who hasn’t ever been created but always was. This spirit is be symbolized by a 666, because God CREATED everything in 6 days and so everything created can be symbolized by 6. Faith in anything created cannot save, but only in God alone, whom Jesus Christ was – having come in the flesh – the everlasting Word that became flesh. Trust alone in the presence of him inside, for YOUR salvation!
Glory to Jesus!
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