Lulav said -----"But this disconnect seems to be what each believes to be Torah. The Ketubah, the things the LORD told Moses to tell the people to which they replied, all you have said we will do.
That was their collective 'I do' in the marriage. Those are the law and instructions. The history is Torah in a sense but not what I was referring to."
I guess you missed where I said that above?All 5 of the books of Moses are Torah. This includes history, examples, choices ... and of course some absolutes. Torah means "instruction," and all of it is that.
No, the giving of Torah was at Mt Sinai in Arabia. This is the Torah that Moses wrote down. That is what a Ketubah is, it is the Marriage contract or covenant, this is the covenant that God made with Israel and to which was brought down from God from the top of the mountain by Moses.The context is what was given at Sinai. The ketubah was their agreement to do all Moses said after speaking with the Almighty, whose voice and presence they feared.
The 'Pentatuch' is not the Ketubah; the whole of it isn't the covenant/Marriage contract.
The covenant that was later broken and spoken of in the Prophets was not the story of Adam, or the flood or the wars of Abraham etc. That is background story of how Israel came to be, from the beginning. But the covenant is separate from that. A covenant is made between two. The LORD God spoke what he would do and what, to be his wife would Israel be required to do.
I agree, it is the foundation, but not all 5 books. I guess it's better to refer to the 613 as opposed to The Torah, which actually are one and the same but there is a difference between instructions and history or backstory.The only scripture they had at the time was the Tenach, and especially the Torah. That is what was taught (and still is) every Shabbat. It's our foundation; all of it.