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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by DavidPT, Jun 30, 2020.

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  1. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    Rev 13:4
    And they worshipped the dragon [who is Satan] which gave power
    unto the beast: [which is NOT Satan] and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    There's no way SCRIPTURE allows Satan to BE THE BEAST...
    This is shown in other Scriptures also:

    And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of
    the dragon, [Satan] and out of the mouth of the beast, [not Satan] and out of the mouth of the false prophet [not Satan].

    And the devil [Satan]that deceived them was cast into the
    lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [not Satan] and
    the false prophet [not Satan] are, and shall be tormented
    day and night for ever and ever.

    You cannot (continue to) teach that Satan = the Beast
    when the BIBLE shows otherwise... that only proves you
    are teaching a private interpretation that IGNORES other

  2. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    That is an invalid argument.
    Seeing that the "Little Horn" of Daniel represents the SAME MAN
    as the "False Prophet" of Revelation is NOT saying that he is the
    reincarnation of some ancient person... instead, it is simply saying
    that Daniel's Fourth Beast = the Revelation Beast. Which has been
    the understanding of many Saints for almost 2000 yrs.

    You have presented a STRAWMAN argument again.
    Nothing more.

  3. Fullness of the Gentiles

    Fullness of the Gentiles One nation in Christ Supporter

    United Kingdom
    This is exactly the way I've felt for a very long time. I can understand paying to cover the cost of printing if it's a Bible - but the cost of the printing only. But that's the Bible. The content of the Bible is freely given us by God. The content of any book relating to God, if it is true, should be freely available.

    Matt 10:8-10 "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
    Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat."

    These were traveling evangelists who had no income because their entire business was traveling and sharing the gospel. It was only right for those who were receiving the gospel through their word to give them a place to stay and something to eat while they were with them, and some food or supplies for the journey when they left. But those who write Christian books are very often doing noting but expressing their own opinions about what has been freely given to all of us - and often their opinions are off. These days it's the easiest thing in the world to turn such books into e-books and make them available for downloading for free.
  4. Josheb

    Josheb Christian Supporter

    United States
    Fail. The contradiction exists between the two posts. It is because of the second post the contradiction occurs.
    Scripture and reason are our friends. A reasonable and rational case of well-rendered scripture is supposed to be what we base our beliefs and thoughts upon. So i the case presente din a book, whether free or not, makes an impeccable case for its position then it should be accepted over competing cases less scriptural and less rational.

    That's how.

    You are not open-minded.
    lol! You're incorrect. In fact, I will go on record right now, this very second, and say I'll read a book if you read a book. You read Riddlebarger's book and I'll read something you recommend. I'll read it cover to cover and post my review of the book's content and the veracity of its case here in the forum, focusing particularly and the exegetical skill evident in the book. You do the same.

    You up for that? (remember: you're showing you are open-minded)
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  5. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie

    We are currently living in the period the Bible calls the "time-of-the-end"
    [Dan 12:8-10] or the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12] or the period
    when the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]

  6. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

    New Zealand
    When did the cosmic and earth moving things of the Sixth Seal happen?
    As well as the events of the six Trumpets.

    The Sixth seal Lords Day of wrath will make a great sound, that will be heard around the world.
    Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.

    Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.

    Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.
  7. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    The first four trumpet happened during the Great Commission
    as the Church age ended the "third part" represent the diminished
    influence of the Saints in the churches... bet you thought it was all literal.

    The Fifth Trumpet or 1st Woe began the Great Tribulation which is when
    the "ten virgins" went forth into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
    [Mat 25:1-13]

    So you have to understand the CONTEXT of the Great Tribulation before
    you can understand the answers to your questions...

    So what was the CONTEXT of the "ten virgins" of Mat 25
    or the ten "kings/horns" of Dan 7 AND Rev 17
    and the ten "kings" of Dan 2:44

    If you can discern the CONTEXT of those events then you can
    "see" the fulfillment of the Sixth Seal

    Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things,
    know that it is near, even at the doors.

    (1) If you do not even understand the 1000 years = the church age
    (2) If you do not even understand the 1260 days = the Great Commission
    (3) If you do not even understand the Great Tribulation was EXCLUSIVE
    to the "ten virgins" and/or ten "kings/horns"... then how can you expect
    to "see" the fulfillment of the "signs" you referenced?

    Are you able to understand Daniel's mysteries what remained "sealed"
    until the Last Saints "shall understand"? If not then how can you expect
    to "see" the events associated with those prophecies?

    When Jesus said we "shall see ALL THESE THINGS"... did He mean
    the unsaved would see them? Did He mean those REJECTING Him
    would "see"... no, He meant the Last Saints "shall see" [Mat 24:15,33]

    Mat 24:29
    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
    and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,
    and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    Did you "see" these things happen?

    Then you would have seen the Sixth Seal happen also.

  8. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    What is the CONTEXT of those verses?
    Is it the world? Then how could Christ come as a "thief in the night for them?
    Was the context those who REJECT Christ? Then how could the verse below occur.
    You have to discern the CONTEXT of a passage before you can hope to know the meaning.

    If the signs you note above were visible to those who REJECT Christ
    or even the Apostate Churches... then how do you harmonize these verses?

    Rev 12:17
    And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war
    with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
    and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Mat 24:37-40
    But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying
    and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not
    until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming
    of the Son of man be

  9. DavidPT

    DavidPT Well-Known Member

    United States
    The following is something I submitted to an Amil in another thread but that he didn't care to address any of this. He chalked up the entire post as follows "That is all mere opinion, but has no basis in Scripture", though I did also ask him some questions(questions for others aren't opinions lol), but he didn't bother answering any of those either. So what I'm thinking, that post maybe fits this thread better. Maybe there are some open minded Amils (is there even such a thing?) reading this thread who would care to address some or all of the following?

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  10. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

    United States
    If it was not literal, then it never happened.

    Can you handle just being a symbol the rest of your existence? Perhaps we are all just symbolic right now.
  11. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie

    David, you said:
    A cpl of things to note. In Revelation 9 something is seen coming out of the pit, except it's not satan, it's locusts.

    Did you not get my previous comments on this mistake?
    The Bible NEVER says the Locusts come out of the Pit.

    Here is the passage:

    Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
    as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason
    of the smoke of the pit.

    So... out of the pit comes SMOKE which DARKENS the sun
    The sun representing the light-givers which are the Saints in the church

    Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
    and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

    Notice the Locusts do NOT come out of the Pit... you have ADDED THAT.
    The Locusts come out of the SMOKE.

    This is an important difference.

  12. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie

    You said
    Therefore, there is not one single verse in Revelation before chapter 20, showing satan being released from the pit.

    Who kills the two witnesses in REV 11?
    The Witnesses = saints in the church
    Their testimony is finishe = end of great Commission
    They are killed by Satan who was loosened from the Pit

    Do you want truth or not?

  13. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    Locust have a king over then... who is that King (Satan)

    No, you are correct... the Beast is not Satan.
    The Beast is the KINGDOM of Satan.
    It includes the Leader of the Kingdom (the false prophet)
    It includes the Followers of the False Prophet.

    Here is where it gets tricky....
    Sometimes the Bible calls the False Prophet by the name "Beast" (since he's the leader)
    Other times the Bible calls the Followers by the name "Beast"
    You have to tell the difference by the context.

    I can actually show you passages where BOTH are mentioned.

  14. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    I read your entire narrative... man are you confused.

    Just tell me one thing... what does the SMOKE represent

    (1) it's not the Locusts because they come OUT of the smoke
    (2) it's not physical smoke - there were no physical chains or key or Pit

    The pit is a condition of restraint... not a physical hole in the ground

    So WHAT is the smoke?
    I know... but you don't want to listen to me.
    So tell me, WHAT does the smoke represent?

  15. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie

    So you think Jesus was a literal animal (lamb)?
    And you think Jesus was a literal DOOR... was it a french door?

  16. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

    New Zealand
    No, because none of them have happened yet.
    If your interpretation of Bible prophecy is to spiritualize it, then we have nothing in common, and I won't be wasting my time replying to you again.
    There are metaphors. Mostly so simple a child can figure them out.
    Your less than childish comments are unwanted and irrelevant.

    So is your spamming and trolling in this forum.
  17. Nova2216

    Nova2216 If truth is discounted then lies become normal.

    United States
    The book of Revelation from chapter 3 onward is figurative language (apocalyptic language) (not literal)(Rev.1:1-3).

    What ever happens in this book is to shortly come to pass according to John in (Chapter 1), not some 2000 years later.

    John said he was in the kingdom and going through the tribulation during the first century. (Rev.1:9). Notice also (Col.1:13)

    I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but we have been in the last days since (Acts 2).

    Notice (Joel 2:28) (Acts 2:1-4,38,47) and (Acts 2:16,17).

  18. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    Sounds like flaming to me.

  19. Marilyn C

    Marilyn C Newbie Supporter

    My thoughts are that the `beast` is the Global Government which the false religion `rides.` It is ruled by the A/C who will be taken over by Satan.

    Thus `was` Satan`s Global Government & the 7th ruler. (A/C) (Rev. 13:1 `beast out of the sea, of people`)
    `is not,` the A/C seemingly dies, (Rev. 13: 3 `as if mortally wounded)
    `shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.` A/C taken over by Satan the 8th ruler. (Rev. 17: 11)

    We are in the period of the `was.` The GG is forming.
  20. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    Since the Revelation Beast = the Great Tribulation = Daniel's
    Fourth Beast/Kingdom then none can be physical/political
    "Kingdoms" since Daniel 7:11-12 has the Kingdom destroyed
    and "given to the Burning Flame"... which is the SAME EVENT
    as the Revelation Beast "cast into the Lake of Fire" [Rev 19:20]
    while the PREVIOUS Kingdoms continue on earth for a period
    called the "Season and Time". What gospel teaches people
    are in the Lake of Fire while kingdoms continue on earth?

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