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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by DoubleJ23, Dec 4, 2017.

  1. Truth7t7

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    Keras there is only "One Future Second Advent" of Jesus Christ.

    Isaiah 30:27 shows fire streaming from the Lords mouth, tongue, same as seen below in 2 Thessalonians 2:8

    Isaiah 30:33 shows the "Lake Of Fire" Tophet Kindled by the Lord, In the "Final Judgment".

    I agree The moon is a reflection of the sun, and the sun will be a reflection of Jesus Christ in his Glory, in the Brightness of His Return.

    I see the "Second Advent" of Jesus Christ And the "Final Judgment" Isaiah 30:26-33, and I see the Brightness in Jesus Christ's Return Alone, Eminating From His Glory Alone, Fulfilling The Sun Increasing In Brightness SevenFold, As Seen In Isaiah 30:26

    Acts 26:13KJV
    At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV
    And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
     
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  2. keras

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    I don't.
    Because the actual prophesies about the Return of Jesus, Revelation 19:11-17, Matthew 24:30 and Zechariah 14:3, never mention the final Judgement or any punishment by fire, just the destruction of the Anti-Christ's army by the Sword of His Word.

    Of course there is only one Return to earth to come, but we know Jesus is active spiritually in the world, ever since He converted Paul on the Damascus road. He WILL send fire to destroy those enemies who will soon attack Israel. Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1, +
    Why must you deny this truth?
     
  3. Truth7t7

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    Keras you gave complete disregard to the "Final Judgment" seen in Isaiah 30:33, Tophet the eternal lake of fire is kindled, as judgment is taking place?

    Keras there is only "One Future Second Advent" And "Final Judgment" of Jesus Christ.

    "Yes Jesus Christ Returns In Fire & Brightness"

    2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Thessalonians 2:8

    Isaiah 30:27 shows fire streaming from the Lords mouth, tongue, same as seen below in 2 Thessalonians 2:8

    Isaiah 30:33 shows the "Lake Of Fire" Tophet Kindled by the Lord, In the "Final Judgment".

    I agree The moon is a reflection of the sun, and the sun will be a reflection of Jesus Christ in his Glory, in "The Brightness of His Return"

    I see the "Second Advent" of Jesus Christ And the "Final Judgment" Isaiah 30:26-33, and I see the Brightness in Jesus Christ's Return Alone, Eminating From His Glory Alone, Fulfilling The Sun Increasing In Brightness SevenFold, As Seen In Isaiah 30:26

    Acts 26:13KJV
    At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV
    And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    As is clearly seen in scripture, Jesus Christ in his "Brightness" will be the fulfillment of the sun shining sevenfold in Isaiah 30:26, no astronomical (Coronal Mass Ejection) needed.
     
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  4. DamianWarS

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    a much greater percentage than those that believe that some of the end times prophecies are currently being played out in in our world. People "know" the claims, at least generally speaking, they just don't believe it.
     
  5. Open Heart

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    Your question assumes that we are in the end times.

    1. We always have had earthquakes like this.
    2. We always have had hurricanes and tornados like this.
    3. We are living in the most peaceful time in history. Countries simply do not declare international war against one another anymore (it's bad for business) and violent crimes are way down in cities according to FBI statistics.
    4. While some morals have definitely plummeted, others have improved. For example, child molestation and wife beating (which used to be shoved under the rug) are now seriously persued by the police.
    The only reason that I can think of that we may be in the last times is Global Warming, which may ultimately drive human beings extinct.
     
  6. Truth7t7

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    We are in the end times, as 50 million unborn are killed annually in the world.

    The majority of Nations recognize "Same Sex Marriage" just like Sodom & Gomorrah.

    The homosexual "Gay Pride" parades, marching in the streets of Jerusalem, since 2002

    These events have never been recorded to the "Magnitude" we see today. Luke 17:28-30
     
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  7. Open Heart

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    They are at high levels because we have 7 billion people in the world. If you look at the per capita numbers, they are not a lot different from ages past.

    As for abortion, it has simply replaced infanticide.

    As for same sex marriage, it hasn't increase homosexual sex. It's just given it another name.
     
  8. Truth7t7

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    I strongly disagree with your perception.

    Homosexuality as in the days of Lot, Sodom & Gomorrah is a major sign to the endtimes.

    No time in history have you seen a time in "The World" as homosexuality is rampantly accepted today.

    No time in history have thousands of homosexuals marched in the streets of Jerusalem, protected by its government.

    We are in the end times, as 50 million unborn are killed annually in the world.

    The majority of Nations recognize "Same Sex Marriage" just like Sodom & Gomorrah.

    The homosexual "Gay Pride" parades, marching in the streets of Jerusalem, since 2002

    These events have never been recorded to the "Magnitude" we see today. Luke 17:28-30
     
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  9. seventysevens

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    definitely NOT
    Seems that you don't know about any of the prophetic scriptures

    While typing this the news station just showed that the Pres of USA just gave a warning to the Americans living in Israel to be very careful and best to come back to America as he announces his full support of Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel and to push that the embassy be in Jerusalem
    this is expected to anger Israels enemies and could be very dangerous as the enemies do not want this to happen

    anyone that thinks the church is trying to replace Israel is in the dark or simply taught incorrectly.. if people say the church should replace Israel; they are not a true Christian
     
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  10. Truth7t7

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    The church has inherited the spiritual blessings of natural, ethnic, Israel

    Romans 9:6-7, The church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed.
     
  11. Open Heart

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    All four of my points are easily verified. Check the geological stats, meteorological stats, FBI stats. Tell me any two nations that are at war right now, and compare international war in the 21st century to the 20th century (WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam...)
     
  12. Open Heart

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    Homosexuality has always been around. If any time was terrible in this regard, it was the Greco-Roman times. Why? Because during those times it was stylish for grown men to take boys as lovers. This pederasty was seen as the highest form of love. Even today society punishes this.
     
  13. Open Heart

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    Abortion has simply replaced infanticide. The number are higher only because there are more people on the earth.
     
  14. seventysevens

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    I do frequently we have had many once in 500 year storms , etc in recent times and they are increasing , but the scripture
    2 Tim 3 King James Version (KJV)

    3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

    7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    have increased dramatically , I continually see people who don't care about the bible saying they see these things happening , look at the political climate has gone off the charts with hatred
    crime dramatically higher , list goes on and on
    prophecy of various kinds being fulfilled
    wars are more frequent and more violent many places people are afraid to leave their homes , people being attacked at gas stations a very long list , to say that these things have always been around is not seeing what is really happening , it is as the scripture said it would be
     
  15. Truth7t7

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    You disregard the fact of the majority of nations legalizing same sex marriage "Never seen in history"!

    You disregard the fact thousands homosexuals are marching in "Gay Pride" parades in Jerusalem since 2002, protected by its government, Never seen in history!

    Your response has hidden these facts "Why"?
     
  16. Open Heart

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    wars are certainly not more frequent. Like I said, wars between nations have simply stopped altogether. There is not one single war going on between two or more nations right now (it's bad for business). The only wars are civil wars, in which dictators are overthrown, or wars against terrorist groups.

    People are afraid because the News Media constantly hypes bad dangerous stuff and makes life seem far more dangerous than it really is. Honestly, if you want a dangerous existence, go back 1000 years and try walking down the city streets. Now THAT was dangerous. You were likely to be pickpocketed, robbed outright, cheated by merchants, run into a brawl with weapons, etc., and I mean LIKELY. People got killed OFTEN. Warfare was CONSTANT. The streets ran with sewage, brothels abounded, the peasants starved, no one bathed and everyone stank, people were brutish, absolutely brutish, who solved their problems with violence.
     
  17. Open Heart

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    It's just the same old thing with a new thing. A rotting apple by any other name still smells just as bad.
     
  18. Open Heart

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    I stated up front that there are some sins our age excels at. But I also pointed out that there are other sins we are getting under control. If, for example, we are making gay sex acceptable, it is also true that we have made date rape and wife beating unacceptable, we no longer tolerate racism, and cops will now go after child molesters where 50 years ago it got swept under the rug. It all averages out.
     
  19. Truth7t7

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    Were getting things under control, were making gay sex acceptable?

    2 Peter 2:6

    Sodom and Gomorrah are Gods Example, to gay sex being acceptable.

    That's correct, never before in history has any person seen the nations accepting homosexual marriage today. Nor homosexuals by the thousands marching in the streets of Jerusalem, Waving The Rainbow Flag, Flaunting Their Sin In Arrogance.

    That's correct, the end times.

    Don't forget to read 2 Peter 2:6 good reading!

    I'm out, no more to say :)
     
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  20. imsaneru

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    Most will say that they believe that the world is coming to an end until you mention the name Al Gore and his film AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH , then they turn on ya and say ahh he's a load of bull. Yep especially Christians on eschatology forums , I guess for some the truth really is INCONVENIENT.
     
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