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Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by Bible Highlighter, Mar 10, 2019.

  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Right, I am a Sola Scriptura kind of Christian. I prefer the Lord and the Bible as my ultimate teacher. I think in these last days the more and more I listen to others, while there are some things we agree with, there are other things that I disagree with them on. No teacher I have run into today agrees with everything that I have learned from God's Word. The danger that we run into is that people tend to just blindly believe teachers nowadays and they don't check it with the Word of God.
     
  2. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I am not SDA. I do not believe the Saturday Sabbath is a binding command for today.
     
  3. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    Because I told you that there were too many to respond to.

    Pick ONE. I will be glad to discuss ONE subject at a time. ONE Scripture at a time, but not 12.

    In fact I will help you my brother. I believe you said that you said your #6 requirement was...…….
    "The faithful saints who die in the Lord today go to Abraham's Bosom; after the Pre-Trib Rapture, saints who live after and die after this event will go directly to Heaven."

    I believe that the Bible says that there is NO ONE in Abrahams Bosom/Paradise today.

    Luke 16:19-31is the Scripture in which Jesus was teaching about the reality of heaven and hell.

    “Abraham’s bosom” in this story is also translated “Abraham’s side” (NIV, ESV), “next to Abraham” (CEV), “with Abraham” (NLT), and “the arms of Abraham” (NCV).
    These various translations speak to the enigmatic nature of the Greek word kolpos.

    Jesus told the man on the cross in Luke 23:42...…..
    ‘I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in PARADISE".

    Then in Ephesians 4:7-8 we see what happened to the saints in Abraham's bosom...……
    "But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people."

    When Jesus ascended to heaven He took the Old Testament believers from Paradise with Him.

    2 Corth. 12:2-4...………..
    " I know a man in Christt who fourteen years ago was caught upu to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell. "


    2nd Corinthians 5:8...…….
    “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”

    Hell is a literal place which burns with fire and brimstone for ever! Both Heaven and Hell are literal, physical, places. The Bible says that God and His Son sit upon thrones. A throne is a concrete item, not abstract. A throne can be touched and seen. Many people believe strange ideas about Heaven. It is a common belief that Heaven is not a literal place. I always capitalize the words Heaven and Hell, as is customary when naming proper places. Heaven and Hell are real places!!!

    John 3:13...…….
    And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”


    There you are...………..GO!
     
  4. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I said I don't want to debate the Abraham's Bosom issue if you didn't get it. Besides, even if I wanted to argue this point (Which I don't), you are also not explaining all of the verses I have already put forth. You are only offering your preferred verses to defend your viewpoint. You have to first address the verses that I brought forth if you want me to consider the verses you have said. If not, this will just be a one sided argument or debate.

    Note: I am also not denying that Heaven and Hell are real literal places. I believe Christians (who die in the Lord) will go to Heaven AFTER the Pre-Trib Rapture. In other words, Abraham's Bosom will cease to exist after the Rapture happens.
     
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  5. Major1

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    IF you do not want to debate Abraham's Bosom then why in the world did you list it as one of those things you had to believe.

    The Bible fact is that there is NO ONE in Abraham's Bosom today so in fact there is nothing to discuss.

    I agree, in that Hell is a real place. The argument you propose is Annialiation of the body and spirit when the lost get to hell and I am saying to you that the Bible teaches us that there will be ETERNAL TORMENT in the Lake of Fire forever and ever to the wicked lost.

    So that is that.

    I will let you pick one. What is that you would like to discusss now????
     
  6. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    We agree! Wonderful!
     
  7. Major1

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    I have no desire to ARGUE with you, You are free to believe as you wish to believe. All I can do is show you Scriptures that challenge your understanding.

    You said...……...…...….
    Pacifism as Taught in the New Testament is Moral and Good

    First of all, lets define was a Pacifist is. A pacifist is someone who is opposed to violence, especially war, for any purpose. A pacifist often refuses to bear arms for reasons of conscience or religious conviction.

    Yes, Jesus is the “prince of peace” in that He will one day bring true and lasting peace to the earth. And His message in this world was remarkably non-violent.

    But the Bible is clear that sometimes war is necessary.
    And, given some of the Bible’s prophecies of Jesus, IMO, it is hard to call Him a pacifist.

    Revelation 19:15 speaking of Jesus, declares......
    “Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations.

    Rev. 19:13 says...……...
    ‘He will rule them with an iron scepter.’ He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.”

    The setting up of Jesus’ millennial kingdom will necessitate violence in the form of a war waged against the forces of the A/C.

    Rev. 19:13 also says that .....
    Jesus’ robe will be “dipped in blood”!

    I would also remind everyone that Jesus’ disciples owned weapons, which conflicts with the idea that Jesus was a pacifist or that pacifism is a New Test. teaching.

    In Luke 22:37-39 On the night Jesus was betrayed, He even told His followers to bring swords. They had two, which Jesus claimed was enough.

    In John 18:10.....As Jesus was being arrested, Peter drew his sword and wounded one of the men present. Jesus healed the man in Luke 22:51 and commanded Peter to put away his weapon. Of note is the fact that Jesus did not condemn Peter’s ownership of a sword, but only his particular misuse of it.

    Then you said in in post #1 of your post...…...
    What Really Happened in Noah's Tent After the Flood?


    So when Genesis 9:22 says,

    "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, "

    It is saying that the nakedness of his father (Noah) was Noah's wife.
    It is talking about Noah's wife!
    Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without."

    You have stated that you are a believer in Sola Scriptura but then you turn around and say..................
    "It is saying that the nakedness of his father (Noah) was Noah's wife.
    It is talking about Noah's wife!"


    NO IT IS NOT SAYING ANY SUCH THING! What you have said is utter nonesense.

    The Scripture says.............
    "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, "

    YOU are ADDING what someone has told you instead of just believing what the Word of God actually says. YOU are guilty of making the Bible say what YOU WANT IT TO SAY which is the opposite of Sola Scriptura my dear brother.

    YOUR view arises out of comparison with Leviticus 20:11...……….

    "The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness..."

    What you have stated with Leviticus 20:11 in mind, is not something new you just thought up. That false teaching goes way back in history my friend.


    Some in the past have speculated that Ham had sex with Noah's wife, and that was what brought the curse from Noah. However, this figurative understanding of "uncovering nakedness" fails to account for the fact that Shem and Japheth walked into the room backward and covered Noah with a garment. This does not make any sense if "uncovering nakedness" means "having sex with Noah's wife." It definitely seems that Noah was lying naked—his nakedness uncovered.

    At this point Jason, Because your comments seem to be more fairy tales and speculation than REAL Bible Scriptures, I am withdrawing from the conversation with you.

    Blessing to you and I hope that you will grow in the knowledge and faith of our Lord Jesus Christ and His precious Word.
     
  8. Major1

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    NOW that is something I agree with.
     
  9. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    First, Biblical wisdom teaches us that there are some things in the Bible that are not worth debating over so as to cause divisions.

    Second, you are not my master. I don't have to pick one. I would prefer that you respond to the topics I want responded to, but you have free will choice to decide on whether or not to do that. I am not going to tell you what to do. It is your choice to respond or not.
     
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  10. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I am glad. But everyone has their own interpretation on what the Bible says. Many of the time these interpretations are man centered or self centered. For example: Somebody who obviously believes in a sin and still be saved gospel because it makes for an allowance that they can sin on occasion (without worrying about the consequences of their status with the Lord). In other words, there is something in it for them personally in a wrong way and not in a selfless way.
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    A person can argue with Scripture. That is what I was referring to.
    You also did not in any way challenge the verses that I put forth.
    You put forth a new set of verses and ignored the ones I posted.
    But again, I do not want to debate the Abraham's Bosom issue with you because it is a minor issue that is not worth causing divisions over.

    My apologies. I inaccurately defined the word.
    You are correct, I am not a Pacifist who is against all forms of war.
    I believe that the wars commanded by God in the Old Testament were justified, and that there will be an upcoming future battle with Christ returning to destroy the Earth's nations that come up against Him. But as for now: Under the New Covenant in living out our faith, we are commanded to be nonresistant.

    I have renamed the thread and the OP to say:

    Nonresistance as Taught in the New Testament is Moral and Good

    I posted the link so as to debate the topic there and not here. If you want to debate the topic within the thread, then please read the OP and respond in explaining the verses and points I posted. Most of what you said here has been addressed in the thread.

    This is not a topic I want to debate. It is a nonessential truth in Scripture that is not worth dividing the body over. If you don't get it, I cannot help you. All I ask is that you pray to the Lord on it (just in the event that you feel that you are not the sole arbiter of truth).


    Well, that is your opinion that I do not share.

    Blessings to you in the Lord, as well.
     
  12. timothyu

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    This is why there are so few ministers or teachers worth listening to. Jesus said to put the will of the Father ahead of our own, love all as self and forward the Gospel of the Kingdom. Quite simple if you do what God wants instead of arguing over what man deems important. God's word or man's religion... depends on which you follow I guess.
     
  13. James Murphy

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    Back to the original topic.....

    Charles Stanley is excellent. I like Chuck Swindoll as well.
     
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  14. miamited

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    Hi all,

    One of my favorites has long been Adrian Rogers.

    God bless,
    In Christ, ted
     
  15. Major1

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    I agree!
     
  16. Major1

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    Yes sir...…...one of the all time best!
     
  17. miamited

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    Hi major,

    Yes, I still listen to his messages on oneplace.com He's gone to be with the Lord now, but I've always found his messages a bit humorous and always straight from the word.

    God bless,
    In Christ, ted
     
  18. Major1

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    You are very correct.!!!!!
     
  19. FireDragon76

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    I would recommend evangelicals in the US read more Philip Yancey or Brennan Manning. It is a message they need to hear, and unlike us Lutherans, they speak in terms that American evangelicals can understand readily.

    I agree. I think he also speaks and writes very plainly in ways that anyone can understand, while not oversimplifying things. I especially appreciated reading The Body's Grace years ago when I was trying to look for an approach beyond authoritarian legalism, and long before I became Lutheran and could articulate intellectually what I intuitively understood as a broken system. Whereas our own approach as Lutherans can be obtuse and obscure at times.
     
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  20. Jonathan Mathews

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    NOTE: I don't agree with everything these men say or do but...

    1) Paul Washer for his Gospel
    2) John Piper for his wisdom
    3) John MacArthur for his Knowledge
    4) Gino Jennings for his holiness
    5) TB Joshua for his prophecy
    6) Derek Prince for his spiritual warfare
    7) Chuck Missler for his end times eschatology
    8) Kent Hovind for his biblical Creation Science
    9) Ron Wyatt for his Bible Archaeology
     
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