What Matters More? Black Children or Big City Politics

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Actually, middle-sized cities are as likely to be the really bad ones...

1 Anniston Alabama 34.34297427
2 Bessemer Alabama 29.85584219
3 Florida City Florida 22.75890299
4 McKeesport Pennsylvania 21.25423891
5 St. Louis Missouri 20.82285906
6 Detroit Michigan 20.56673306
7 Baltimore Maryland 20.27014907
8 Memphis Tennessee 20.0332432
9 Camden County New Jersey 19.67725003
10 Opa Locka Florida 19.49844012
Top 100 Most Dangerous Cities in America | National Council For Home Safety and Security

The top four most dangerous are medium-sized cities, and six of the top ten are medium-sized.


They're the suburbs/border of large cities, I think.

I'm not seeing where they got their information from and they are selling alarm systems I don't know if there is any reason this may affect their choices unless some cities have made big changes 2018.
25 Most Dangerous Cities In The US In 2020 - EscapeHere
 
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and who can say that it was due to the reforms, it still a long way from what it could or should be.
The Senate Judiciary Committee is interested in Camden's method, along with other input from community stakeholders and police. They want to know what the federal government can do to help with systemic racism in police forces and how they can help get rid of the 'bad apples' in policing. I really liked listening to the woman police chief and the other police chiefs that weren't physically present.
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and who can say that it was due to the reforms

Because it's not the only city were less violent police behavior led to lower crime rates.

We Were Wrong about Stop-and-Frisk
Like many conservatives, I had grave concerns about curtailing the New York City police department’s controversial tactic of stopping and frisking potential suspects for weapons. I was inclined to defer to the police when they protested that they needed the option to stop, question, and frisk New Yorkers on a mere reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing instead of probable cause that the targeted person had committed a crime. Restricting the tactic, I thought, would cause an uptick, maybe even a spike, in crime rates. Mayor Bill de Blasio, who made ending stop-and-frisk the centerpiece of his successful 2013 campaign for mayor, struck me as a man who was cynically willing to tolerate an increase in crime if he thought it to his political advantage to amplify leftist voters’ core belief that policing was out of control.


Today in New York City, use of stop-and-frisk, which the department justified via the 1968 Terry v. Ohio Supreme Court ruling, has crashed. Yet the statistics are clear: Crime is lower than ever. It’s possible that crime would be even lower had stop-and-frisk been retained, but that’s moving the goalposts. I and others argued that crime would rise. Instead, it fell. We were wrong.


Major crime in New York City has continued to decline almost across the board in the four years of the de Blasio administration, to the lowest rates since New York City began keeping extensive records on crime in the early 1960s. Crime is literally off the charts — the low end of the charts. To compare today’s crime rate to even that of ten years ago is to observe a breathtaking decline.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...-and-frisk-crime-decline-conservatives-wrong/

Turns out, if police act like thugs, citizens tend to react in kind. If they stop acting like thugs, fewer citizens do.


 
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The toddler was killed in Chicago's street gang wars, one of more than 100 people shot over the weekend in the city, with 12 of those shot younger than 18. Included among the dead were two boys coming home after getting candy at a neighborhood store, a 13-year-old girl and Mekhi James.

The spike in violence in Chicago and other Democratic Party-controlled big cities, from New York to Los Angeles, is a function of street gangs, drug wars and politics. The elected social justice warriors demand little or no bail for the violent who are released back onto the streets. Broken public school systems serve power interests, not the poor. Tax policy kills business and job opportunities in troubled neighborhoods. In urban America, Democrats have no competition. And all that matters to the political class is counting the votes.
Hits the nail on the head....

From the same article:

In Cook County, the political class allows electronic home monitoring to be used for those arrested for murder, attempted murder, kidnapping, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon and rape.

"There are too many violent offenders not in jail, or on electronic home monitoring, which no one is really monitoring," said Chicago police Superintendent David Brown. "We need violent felons to stay in jail longer."

But they don't. The politics won't allow it.

And Chicago's river of violence sweeps another child away.​

This has been going on for decades. Every mayor promises something new, and not much happens.

I remember when they decided that Cabrine-Green (low income high rise housing) that were infested with gangs were going to be taken down. Those poor people didn't have a chance with the gangs running those buildings, and they figured if they tore them down? I guess they felt if you forced people to spread out instead of living together? It would help the crime rate. Yeah. Like gangs are going to break up and disappear...and not move on to new locations around the area. Which of course they did.

They ignored the gangs in their high rises, and they ignore the gangs in the neighborhoods. Now you have generations of people that completely live trauma. You have damaged souls that won't be repaired even if at this point they DID do something about the gangs. It's going to take generations to repair that, and then you have their dangerous schools? They are too deep in denial to even start working on that. You have neighborhoods of people with no hope, and they all know darn well that chances of them being killed by someone in the neighborhood is much higher than a cop.

Our church partnered up with churches in that area for years. My father worked near the high rises. He walked that neighborhood for years from the train station until his employer got company vans to shuttle people when attacks on them rose. You have many decent people there that are trapped, and a system that likes it that way.

People want to talk systematic racism? Just look at their neighborhoods, and how the city just allowed it to happen. You have a handful of activists, loads of people with no hope, and a city administration that clearly doesn't care. The government allowed those neighborhoods, and the citizens that live there to drown. They don't have a chance, and no one wants to talk about it either. SURE their lips will move when the time is right, but the follow up has been absent for decades. Those can can get out will find a way, and they do find a way. Some are so beat down they have already given up, and won't bother. That's all on the administration and system in that city.

Yes, people can point more dangerous spots. No doubt. Chances are there systems are pretty much set up the same way too. It breaks your heart. We moved almost 2 years ago now. I watched for 50 years, and they never did anything. It was happening prior to me moving there 50 years prior as well.

The other day they killed a baby in her car while mom was driving to the laundromat. They are offering a reward, but the sad part is no one will claim it. Chicago created that atmosphere, but they sure don't want to own it.
 
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Because it's not the only city were less violent police behavior led to lower crime rates.

We Were Wrong about Stop-and-Frisk
Like many conservatives, I had grave concerns about curtailing the New York City police department’s controversial tactic of stopping and frisking potential suspects for weapons. I was inclined to defer to the police when they protested that they needed the option to stop, question, and frisk New Yorkers on a mere reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing instead of probable cause that the targeted person had committed a crime. Restricting the tactic, I thought, would cause an uptick, maybe even a spike, in crime rates. Mayor Bill de Blasio, who made ending stop-and-frisk the centerpiece of his successful 2013 campaign for mayor, struck me as a man who was cynically willing to tolerate an increase in crime if he thought it to his political advantage to amplify leftist voters’ core belief that policing was out of control.


Today in New York City, use of stop-and-frisk, which the department justified via the 1968 Terry v. Ohio Supreme Court ruling, has crashed. Yet the statistics are clear: Crime is lower than ever. It’s possible that crime would be even lower had stop-and-frisk been retained, but that’s moving the goalposts. I and others argued that crime would rise. Instead, it fell. We were wrong.


Major crime in New York City has continued to decline almost across the board in the four years of the de Blasio administration, to the lowest rates since New York City began keeping extensive records on crime in the early 1960s. Crime is literally off the charts — the low end of the charts. To compare today’s crime rate to even that of ten years ago is to observe a breathtaking decline.
New York City & Stop-and-Frisk: Crime Decline Shows Conservatives Were Wrong | National Review

Turns out, if police act like thugs, citizens tend to react in kind. If they stop acting like thugs, fewer citizens do.

So it seems likely that the sharp declines that began under Bloomberg would have continued if Bloomberg had remained in office.

Police brass are investigating claims by a veteran captain who alleges that some NYPD commanders are misclassifying felonies to hold down crime statistics in a bid to further their careers.

Capt. Marash Vucinaj has gathered 156 cases over the past two years from multiple commands that he contends show a pattern of downgrading some felony-level crimes to misdemeanors. The crimes include thefts and attempted thefts, assaults and assaults on cops. He does not claim the manipulation extends to murders and rapes.

Among the methods he claims he has seen:

  • Classifying incidents where cops are injured by suspects as resisting arrest, rather than assault.
  • Classifying grand larcenies as lost property and ignoring details that suggest a crime took place.
  • Classifying incidents where someone purposefully shot at someone but missed as “investigate shots fired,” reckless endangerment or criminal mischief.
  • Classifying incidents where a would-be thief slipped his hand into someone’s pocket or bag as misdemeanor “jostling” rather than attempted grand larceny.
  • Compressing several crimes with separate victims into one complaint report.
  • Failing to record crimes in the city handled by other law enforcement agencies.
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-probes-claims-cops-fudging-crime-stats-article-1.3730078

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

By Heather Mac Donald

Cop critics who assiduously ignored the 20 percent increase in the national homicide rate over the previous two years have suddenly become enthusiastic purveyors of crime statistics. Fueling their newfound interest in crime data is the announcement that the New York City homicide rate is at a near-60-year low. That homicide drop shows that proactive policing is irrelevant to crime levels, say these policing skeptics. The New York Police Department’s reported-stop activity plummeted earlier in this decade as a result of a groundless trilogy of racial-profiling lawsuits against the department. Yet crime in New York ultimately continued its downward trajectory. Therefore, proactive policing like pedestrian stops is unnecessary, these cop critics say.

Their arguments are specious.

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety. The degree of demographic change is startling. In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab. In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.

This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime. A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings. Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves. When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade. The year 2017 will mark only the second time since 2003 that homicides surpassed 600, according to the Chicago Tribune. The de-policing that hit Baltimore and Chicago in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement, the Freddie Gray Baltimore riots, and the protests over the shooting in Chicago of Laquan McDonald has not been counteracted by significant demographic change, unlike in New York City. Law-abiding residents of Baltimore and Chicago’s high-crime areas remain dependent on the police to maintain order. Unfortunately, the Baltimore Police Department will be even harder pressed to provide that order, thanks to a federal consent decree finalized in the last week of the Obama administration. That consent decree puts crippling bureaucratic roadblocks in the way of low-level public-order enforcement, such as the enforcement of loitering and trespass laws. Residents of high-crime areas beg the police to clear their corners of miscreants, but the officers’ hands are tied. U.S. attorney general Jeff Sessions rightly sought a delay in the implementation of the Baltimore consent decree, but the federal judge overseeing the case denied his request. Baltimore’s law-abiding poor citizens will just have to hope for some other form of intervention.

The claim that proactive policing is a useless crime-fighting strategy ignores a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences. An overwhelmingly liberal group of criminologists concluded that stop, question, and frisk shows statistically significant short-term crime-reduction effects; the long-term effects have not been measured. Hot-spots policing, often just another name for stop, question, and frisk, also produces statistically significant crime-reduction effects, according to experimental evidence. No other policing strategies assessed by the NAS team produced more powerful results. If, after two decades of proactive-policing enabled gentrification, New York has maintained its crime drop despite the drop in documented stops, that doesn’t mean that places like Chicago and Baltimore can do without such interventions. Stops in Chicago dropped 82 percent in 2016; there were 4,300 people shot there last year, overwhelmingly black, or one person every two hours.
New York City Homicide Rate Drop Lessons for Proactive Policing | National Review
 
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