What do you think speaking in tongues is?
Human languages?
An angelic language?
A special language only between you and God?
Something else?
Human languages?
An angelic language?
A special language only between you and God?
Something else?
Any and/or all of the above.What do you think speaking in tongues is?
Human languages?
An angelic language?
A special language only between you and God?
Something else?
spiritual ... have you ever wondered what language and form you will use to communicate when you die and your are separated from your body? what "tongue " will you speak then when you have no tongue ?
oh im sure lol .I'm expecting a for there to be tongue in my resurrected body.
I am inclined to believe that when the Spirit speaks to the Father that he does so in a heavenly (angelic) form of communication. I'm not all that confident with referring to this as a language particularly as Paul in 1Cor 14 makes a careful comparison with tongues as being some form of sound and not specifically a language as we humans know.What do you think speaking in tongues is?
Human languages?
An angelic language?
A special language only between you and God?
Something else?
I am inclined to believe that when the Spirit speaks to the Father that he does so in a heavenly (angelic) form of communication. I'm not all that confident with referring to this as a language particularly as Paul in 1Cor 14 makes a careful comparison with tongues as being some form of sound and not specifically a language as we humans know.
Is there a connection with Rom 8:26 where Paul tells us;
"In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans".
Are we to equate these non-language groans in Rom 8 with 1Cor 14 with how Paul has likened tongues to that of musical instruments/sounds?
Even though I am inclined to the position that it is the Holy Spirit who is the one who “intercedes with “alaletois”, I am still in the process of coming to a ‘final’ opinion as to what Paul meant which hopefully shouldn’t take more than another week or so.As I understand, if you referred to the previous verses, it the wordless groans of a person that will be interceded (or made understood to the Father) by the Holy Spirit.
Even though I am inclined to the position that it is the Holy Spirit who is the one who “intercedes with “alaletois”, I am still in the process of coming to a ‘final’ opinion as to what Paul meant which hopefully shouldn’t take more than another week or so.
Now I am certainly of the view that when we pray in the Spirit that the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father in some form of heavenly articulation,
The significant areas of correspondence are (a) that the Spirit prays within the believer, and (b) does so with “words” that are not understood by the person praying.327 The other possible correspondence, of course, is between “speaking mysteries by the Spirit” in 1 Cor 14:2 and “the Spirit interceding with inarticulate groanings” in our present passage.
3. This correspondence also helps to explain another troublesome matter. On the one hand, all recognize that the word “groaning” in v. 26 is picked up from v. 23; yet in v. 23 we groan, while here the Spirit intercedes with groanings. This kind of “mixed” message is not significantly different from what we find in 1 Corinthians 14, where “by the Spirit” in v. 2 becomes “my S/spirit prays” in v. 14
that is such an attempt to put it in a box ..That is a possibility. However, the groaning is that of a person praying, not that of the Holy Spirit.
Amen .My view is that the act of praying in tongues is the ultimate of faith because we don't know what we are saying to God and we are basing our faith on 1 Corinthians 14, that we are speaking mysteries to God. We have no other evidence, except in the rare occasion when someone from another country hears what we say in his own village dialect. This has happened to me only once in all the 46 years I have been praying in tongues. But I have heard testimonies from Kenya in the 1960s that bushmen would come to Pentecostal meetings, not knowing any other language than their own isolated dialect, get baptised in the Spirit and then speak in perfect Oxford English praises to God. They were speaking in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance, but those who understood English heard and understood them perfectly. And when African's spoke English after learning it, they always had a particular accent, but these ones who spoke in tongues spoke as if they had been born and brought up in the South of England.
But for the majority of us, we act in absolute faith and trust in God when we pray in tongues. I don't really care what language I speak, because I trust that whatever I pray in tongues, God understands and appreciates it.
that is such an attempt to put it in a box ..
it is a union a communion .. true intercession is, in itself ,the cry of God voiced through the heart and out the mouth of the believer .the cry of heaven does not originate in us out on the earth but from within the kingdom of God .we cannot possibly know what we ought to pray in that respect .as its written "the carnal mind cannot comprehend such things "
refer to the scriptures in regard to intercession
..it originates from the Lord .as in the case of Jobs friends the lord says"my servant Job will pray for you " and what is job to pray .. he will pray along the lines God has told (taught) him to . he will not pray his own will but the lords will .
but who is doing the praying ? Job is .. but where does his prayer originate ?.. with God .for god said .. my servant Job will pray and i will hear him .. it is the very reason we pray in the name of the lord Jesus ..for he makes intercession for us and God hears him. without him we are not heard .not through us ,not through our spirit ,not through mary ,there is no other way to the father but through JESUS. (just making that clear to the rcc )
tell me does a spirit need a tongue? i assure you he may speak an oracle by a whimper a sermon by a sigh and a universe into being by a shout .
you could not have missed the point more ...I think, you are extrapolating. Interpolating is better. Presumptions may not help in understanding what has been plainly revealed. God or Jesus will not pray for you. One cannot pass the buck and responsibility.
Jesus will intercede depending on your prayer.
How can it be? Even Jesus prayed," Not My will, Thine be done."
Yes, prayer done by Job.
No need in some cases. But we shall not forget the power of the spoken understandable word.
what so ever you ask in my name according to my will i will do itJesus will intercede depending on your prayer.
Have you been baptized in the Holy Ghost ? (as promised by the lord JEsus ) and if so.. how do you know ?
Your right, it is neither God (who cannot pray to himself) or for that matter even Jesus who prays on our behalf but the Holy Spirit; providing of course we are actively choosing to pray in the Spirit (tongues).I think, you are extrapolating. Interpolating is better. Presumptions may not help in understanding what has been plainly revealed. God or Jesus will not pray for you. One cannot pass the buck and responsibility.