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Featured What is wrong with evolutionary thinkers

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by nolidad, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. nolidad

    nolidad Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I wonder what is wrong with the believers of evolution on thesew threads.

    I have just been banned from a thread I started because someone found offense in a very colloquial way of describing the evolutionary process in a sentence.

    I have tired to dewbate the issues , but find we must spend page after page after page watching others hurl all sorts of subtle and not so subtle insults.


    I have watched thread after thread of insults and name calling and ad-hominems hurled at scientists atr ICR, AIG and members of CRS.

    so I am curious. when you cannot answer the challenges I pose (and yes I am not a scientist), is it the habit of just going on the offensive? When I mess up the minutae of a subject that I am only generally familiar with- is it practice to imply I am an idiot?

    I will still ask this questyion-- evolution scientists have declared scales to feathers a fact! Facts are based on evidence, so what evidence do they use to suppor this supposed fact?

    What mutations do they show , how do they demonstrate these micro mutations accumulated over eons of times to slowly take a scale and turn it into a feather with all its necessary parts?
     
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  2. ChristianForCats

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    That is too bad. I almost never read this section for one reason: anti-evolution Christians refuse to accept the constantly proven scientific truths thinking it is impossible for God's creation to not happen in 6 literal days. They refuse to accept the fact that Earth is round depsite the millions of pictures showing it is and I will never see any logic in their thinking. If I posted here regularly I would also be tempted to be hostile if people told me science disproves evolution, Earth's shape, etc. Being nice is not easy when others deny a well-known scientific fact because we are all sinners and tempted by Satan, but that is not an excuse.

    The job title for an evolution scientist is paleontologist. There also are specialists called taxonomists. They are biologists who classify living and extinct species into groups from the five kingdoms to subspecies. So because your question is about biological evolution, let's start with them.
     
  3. nolidad

    nolidad Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Well I am an anti evolution Christian and I don't believe in a flat earth.

    Well I am convinced that empirical observable, testable repeatable science does refute evolution on the biological macro scale.

    When I use the term evolution I am referring to life starting somehow someway (as they tend to downplay all theories of abiogenesis) and through random, undirected, unplanned accumulated mutations, life grew from that supposed simple cell to the biodiversity we see today!
     
  4. ChristianForCats

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    If observable science refuted evolution, all mutations would happen at the same time. There would not be repeated mutations affecting the same body parts over and over. If scales turned into feathers it certainly was a slow process. Stuff like that does not happen magically overnight.

    The first life on Earth was single-celled marine organisms such as bacteria. Of course there is nothing you can call "simple" about something that contains a nucleus, mitochondria, and genome. But compared to a plant or animal it is. I don't believe all life came from the same cell.
     
  5. Acts2:38

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    IMO, people think science is an absolute truth.

    One scientist stated:
    "...Science is a framework for interpreting, systematizing, and predicting nature based on empirical observations. That is to say, a well accepted ‘theory’ (framework for understanding/predicting nature) can always be upended with sufficiently compelling contrary evidence..."

    Scientists were SURE that the world was flat. They were found false.

    Scientists were SURE that the sun went around the earth. They were wrong.

    Scientist were SURE about Luminiferous aether. It was later found wrong.

    I only put this here as food for thought. I am just going to watch the thread from here on out.
     
  6. ChristianForCats

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    Bad example Acts. Scientists did not always have the technology to prove Earth is round. The people who said Earth is flat were just looking at how our sun goes up in the east and down in the west for centuries. Now that everyone knows Earth is round, there is no reason for anyone to say it is just a "theory" and not provable.
     
  7. SkyWriting

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    God engineered scales so they could quickly turn to feathers.
    God is smarter than Christians give Him credit.
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    The curve of the globe is not obvious.
     
  9. SkyWriting

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    God can engineers "switch-genes" so that it happens overnight.

    How Genetic Switches Work - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI - NIH
     
  10. ChristianForCats

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    That does not mean they did quickly turn into feathers. If fossils of reptiles and birds show how old scales and feathers are, scientists can figure out it took a very long time for the process to complete.

    And exactly how can you say the globe's curve is not obvious when all pictures are crystal clear we live on a sphere? Look at pictures of Earth in space.
     
  11. SkyWriting

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    Most of the people on this planet do not have such pictures.
    My earth does not curve much even when I go across Lake Michigan and see nothing else. We have to consider that we might not know everything.
     
  12. ChristianForCats

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    If you search "Earth in space" or any similar keywords, I guarantee every single picture will show it is not flat.
     
  13. Gottservant

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    I feel for you.

    I have copped a lot of flack too.
     
  14. nolidad

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    Ok, that is your hypothesis. So where are the tests and observations to show that scales evolved high speed to feathers. It did happen here on earth and with creatures.

    And how did God engineer the scales to quickly turn to feathers. You made the statement so you must have some evidence to support that.
     
  15. nolidad

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    I Agree that this is the belief of evolutionism. However as it took eons of times as the hypothesis goes- we should see evidence of the transformation of scales to feathers within the population that is undergoing this transition.

    Scales are exodermal flaps on cold blooded animals almost exclusively. They help to regulate the heat of cold blooded animals.

    Feathers are subdermally connected organisms that help in flight and to regulate heat in warm blooded animals.

    Where is the evidence to conclude the fact that a scale which has its own coding in the animal that produces scales could change the coding so that this is the result:

    https://cf-s3.petcoach.co/uploads/noslidesarticleimages/ill_feather_bottomhalfwquil.gif?align=right


    Where is the evidence that the population mutated the feather follicle under the skin by adding genetic information?

    Then an umbilicus
    Then a quill
    Then a rachis
    Then downy barbs
    then after feathers
    then vanes
    then barbs
    then barbules then hooklets.
    then a rewrite of its instinct to learn to preen ffeathers
    then the rewrite of the creatures dna to include to make the uropygial gland
    Then the writing to produce teh diester wax to fill teh gland.

    These are all absolute requirements to change a scale to a feather and allow the feather to survive! Where is the evidence God or nature did this.
     
  16. nolidad

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    Well because of the intense flack thrown at me- they shut the thread down. It was probably time. It had left science and the other side spend multiple pages haranguing me for not be expert. (and thinking I know little to nothing of what I wrote) and then falsely accusing scientists of CRS, ICR and AIG. I care little of whiat is hurled at me, but I take umbrage when other brothers and sisters in the Lord are accussed and no evidence is presented to validate their conclusions.
     
  17. nolidad

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    Well we have fossils of scales and we have fossils of feathers, but we have no fossils sceathers or fales! We see no evidence of scales leaving and feathers forming and any of the necessary items I posted. If it took a very long time for all that change to take- why do we not have evidence of the transitions of scales to feathers?
     
  18. nolidad

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    Except we have no evidence either in nature or in the Word of God that He did so!

    The bible says that God created each animal after its kind and to reproduce after its kind. We see variation within those kinds, but we have no evidence that genetic mutatrions can take one kind of animal and turn it into another.

    Heck, evolutionists say (falsely) that chimps are over 98.5% identical to humans. and yet we cannot interchange parts with them.

    It is not simply switching genes, but rewriting the information the genes to produce a different kind of skin different kind of flesh, different quality of many many things.

    Teh Bible has yet to be refuted empirically - no kind of creature can transform into another kind.

    The historical record shows that dogs have always been dogs, fish-fish etc.
     
  19. SaintNick

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    The current Apes must just not have evolved yet.
    An right now there is a major problem with all these flat earthers its flat out ridiculous.
    Another deception to misguide those from the truth.

    They're so adamant in their youtube professors and any video showing a curve is discredited as CGI or Fish eye lenses lmao.
     
  20. ChristianForCats

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    LOL sceathers and fales.

    This is what microscopes and a procedure geologists use called carbon dating are for. Even though people can't see the difference between a scale fossil and a feather fossil when they are 200 million years old the scientists who study them can see DNA that has been preserved in the sedimentary rock.
     
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