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What is this necessary “Wedding Garment”?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Minister Monardo, Nov 1, 2020.

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  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Again, it has nothing to do with me, but it is about what the Bible says. I never seen how many animals were on the ark, but I know Noah did. I take that by faith (even if nay sayers say it was impossible). The same is true when it comes to the Bible talking about how Job was perfect, Zacharias, and Elisabeth were blameless in keeping His commandments, and how the 144,000 were without fault before the throne of God in context to their holy conduct. I believe my Bible when it talks about these things. But you do not because you want your life experience to rule over what the Bible says.

    I believe Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, and 2 Corinthians 7:1. But do you? I do not see how you can believe these veres. You have to twist and change them to fit your life.

    I mean, what is scary is that you do not accept or understand what Matthew 7:23, and Matthew 13:41-42 actually says. You fail to understand that these are believers and they will be cast out because they justified sin in this life. Matthew 7:23 talks about believers who did wonderful works in Christ's name, but the problem is that the Lord Jesus told them to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (or sin). In Matthew 13:41-42, the Son of Man (Jesus) will send forth His angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM (Christ's kingdom) all things that offend (i.e. anything that makes others to stumble into sin), and those who do iniquity or lawlessness (i.e. sin), and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire). This means that a believer can be in the kingdom and then later be cast out on account of their justifying sin. I mean, even if you think you are right, why take the chance that you may be wrong? Double check these verses, brother. They mean what they plainly say.
     
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    God is faithful and He can chasten believers. But they have to be the kind of believer who does not have the mindset to be unfaithful all the time. A marriage covenant is about faithfulness. But when I talk to believers today, they say they will always sin as a matter of fact (Thereby suggesting unfaithfulness as a way of their relationship).

    I believe that a believer can go prodigal and God can still try to draw them back. But they are not saved while they are prodigal. How so? Well, if you were to read the parable of the prodigal son sometime (Luke 15:11-32), you will learn that when the prodigal son came back home and sought forgiveness with his father, his father said that he was “dead,” and he is “alive again.” Obviously the prodigal son was not physically dead, and so this means that he was spiritually dead when he was spending his inheritance on prostitutes. What changed is when he came back and sought forgiveness. The prodigal son became “alive AGAIN” spiritually. This means that he once had spiritual life before going prodigal. Check the parable for yourself and you will see that it is true. But of course, if you do not like the plain and obvious meaning of this parable, you are free to change what it obviously means to your own liking. Just know I told you the truth.
     
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    We are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). But when I talk with OSAS folk, or Belief Alone Proponents, they distort this verse to mean that “fear” does not mean “fear” but it means “reverance.” But the word “trembling” in there suggests that it simply does mean “fear.”

    You keep focusing on what we do, but you should focus on what the Bible says. We are each going to stand before God in what we do and your not going to stand before God on what I did or on what Joe did. We each need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Paul says we are to prove that Christ is in us, unless we be reprobates (2 Corinthians 13:5). How do we have the assurance that we know Jesus Christ? If we find that we are keeping His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3-4). For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).
     
  4. Jesus is YHWH

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    Your above comments contradict the clear teaching below regarding sin, discipline and remaining a son and God as our Father.

    Hebrews 12:4-13
    in your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

    My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
    and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
    6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
    and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”

    7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

    12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13 “Make level paths for your feet,” so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
     
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    Answer: Salvation, Christ's gift of His indwelling Holy Spirit & more specifically, Christ's imputed (via faith) Robe of Righteousness.

    Isa 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
    (NOTE: The bridegroom/Christ covered in shekinah, clothes believers with His Robe of Righteousness & jewels)

    Zec 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
    (NOTE: Thru Faith in Christ our iniquity/sins are washed away & our filthy self-righteous garments receive a change of raiment)

    The LORD our Righteousness
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
    (NOTE: Christ the savior: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS)

    Robe of Righteousness
    Job 29:14 I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
    (NOTE: Thru Faith in Christ: Christ's righteousness is imputed onto us, our sins are imputed onto Christ. And we are covered by his Robe of Righteousness & a diadem/Jeweled Crown is given to every believer)

    The Righteousness of God In Him:
    2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
    (NOTE: Jesus exchanged our sin for His perfect righteousness. When we accept & trust in, Jesus Sin Atoning Sacrifice. Found in Jesus death, burial & resurrection. We become justified (Judicially Declared Righteous by a sovereign God) Who no longer see's our sin, only the Holy Righteousness of our Lord & savior Jesus the Christ)

    1 Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
    (NOTE: It say's: As HE is, so are we, in this world! Christ’s love did not changed when/since he ascended to Heaven. The blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin. And we are kept by the power of God, through faith (1 Pet 1:5). Whereby we can boldly enter into the Throne of Grace (Heb 4;16) having boldness in the day of judgment) Amen!
     
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    Like I keep saying, I believe they are blameless through the blood of Jesus, not through their own obedience. That is kind of the point of Jesus dying for our sins and bearing our iniquities. They overcome by the blood of the lamb. If it's up to our own obedience, nobody's gonna make it.
    As far as "it has nothing to do with me" it absolutely does. You profess a doctrine that if you cannot uphold yourself you are preaching as a hypocrite. It damages your witness if you say "do as I say not as I do". 1 John 1:9, you've entered a relationship with God, you confess your sins to God and He cleans you of all unrighteousness. As you become more and more sanctified and conformed to the image of Christ you have to ask for forgiveness less, and just praise more.

    I want you to notice something from Matthew 7.
    When they attempted to justify themselves what did they use as their defenses?
    Their works.
    They didn't say "But I had faith in you, John 3:16, John 5:24, Romans 10:9..."
    No. instead they boasted of their works. They didn't come with a contrite heart. They came with a proud one.
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    God would be lying if He rejected someone who truly believed and was born again.
     
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    That's unfortunate. It is tempting to buy into being saved forever without have to worry about obeying the Ten Commandments. But that's not what the Bible says.
     
  8. Bible Highlighter

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    Romans 13:14 says
    “But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.”
     
  9. Jamdoc

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    That's the wrong way to look at the entire thing.
    You HAVE to see it as a RELATIONSHIP.
    If God is your Father, you love Him right?
    Do you like doing things that the people you love hate to see you do? Do you like disappointing them?
    Say you're a person who smokes, and your spouse or your mother or just your best friend that you really love says "I don't like when you do that, they kill you over time, and I don't want you to get cancer or COPD". Wouldn't you feel some pull to quit? Wouldn't you value that person who you love, more than the addiction of cigarettes?

    That's what it's like with the relationship with God, and sin. We're addicted to sin, but God tells us, "I don't like when you sin, it kills you over time, and I don't want you to die" That should be the reason why you stop sinning, not fretting about the consequences to yourself. But because God, who cares about you so much and doesn't want you doing something that slowly kills you (as sin does) doesn't like your sin.
    That is why Jesus said "if ye love me, keep my commandments"
    It's less about our own consequences or our rewards, selfish goals, but about not wanting to disappoint, HATING to disappoint, the person that we love more than anyone else in the world.

    Even if it's OSAS, you can sin all you want and never have to repent (and it's not, the fact that someone would take that attitude shows they didn't really get saved because they didn't enter a relationship with God).. you still shouldn't desire to sin, simply because it grieves the Holy Spirit, think about every sin you do, as you hammering in the nails deeper into the flesh of Jesus on the cross, and watching His face contort in anguish, and He looks down on you and asks "why have YOU forsaken me?"
     
  10. Bible Highlighter

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    But you are blatantly ignoring the context of Scripture to make this false line of thinking so.

    Job 1:1 KJB
    “There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”

    (Eschew = shun, avoid, escape from - Eschew | Definition of Eschew by Webster's Online Dictionary)

    In other words, it says Job avoided evil.

    Luke 1:5-6 KJB
    “There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

    It says Zacharias and Elisabeth were walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless (blamelessly).

    Revelation 14:3-5 KJB
    “And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

    The 144,000 were without fault before the throne of God based on the context that:

    1. They were not defiled with women.
    2. They followed the Lamb wherever he goes.
    3. In their mouth was found no guile.



    You quote only the part of the verse that benefits your slanted view of thinking.

    Revelation 12:11 KJB says,
    “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death

    If you want to quote Revelation, you should try reading this one.

    Revelation 22:14-15 KJV
    Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

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    Well, making it personal is a standard tactic by those who hold to your belief. If your belief cannot be supported with Scripture make it about the individual instead.

    It is written,

    5 "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
    6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house." (Micah 7:5-6).​

    Also, the forum rules encourage so as not to cause heated debate that we are not to address the poster or the individual, but we are to stick to the topic with Scripture.

    In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God's Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God's Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not). Personally, I believe you have your priorities wrong. You appear to be allowing outside experience to rule your judgment instead of seeking to obey God's Word. For you automatically assume I am doing the wrong thing when you do not know me or my life. Do you honestly think Enoch lusted after women all the time, and yet the Lord took him whereby he did not see death? How about the 144,000? Do you think they lusted after women?

    The problem with your belief is that it means you cannot accept the plain words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 5:28-30.

    Jesus says that we not only have to receive Him, but we have to receive His words, too. For Jesus says in John chapter 12,

    “He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48).

    So Jesus says here that if we do not receive His words, those words will judge us on the last day. However, I know that most in the Belief Alone camp do not accept His words in Matthew 5:28-30. They either say it is a metaphor, or Jesus was trying to make a point in how we cannot keep God's laws, and or this only applied in the Old Covenant.

    This is simply a false accusation. I said nothing of the sort.
    You just assumed the wrong thing about me.

    I am sorry. But I do not think you understand what 1 John 1:9 is really saying. You want 1 John 1:9 to say that you are already forgiven before confessing your sin. But 1 John 1:9 says IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Sorry. I already pointed it out to you that they did wonderful works in His name. Doing works is not the problem that Jesus had with them. You forget that John 5:29 says, “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” Jesus told them to depart from Him because they worked iniquity.

    Matthew 7:23 KJB says,
    “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

    Iniquity is sin. So sure, they did works. OSAS and Belief Alone Proponents believe in doing works. But the problem is justifying sin. That is something our Lord cannot agree with. Can I prove that iniquity is talking about disobedience to Jesus (i.e. sin)? Yes, I can. Just look at the context. The context does not talk about their failing to believe in the finished work of Christ. No, no. Most certainly not. The context of Matthew 7:23 is Matthew 7:26-27.

    Matthew 7:26-27 says that everyone who does not do what Jesus says is like a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.

    To drive this point home even more, Matthew 13:41-42 says that the Son of Man will send forth His angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM anything that offends (i.e. makes to stumble into doing sin), and those who do iniquity and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire).

    So a person can be in Christ's kingdom, and later cast out because they justified sin.

    Yes, we are initially and foundationally saved by God's grace. But grace is not a license to sin (Jude 1:4). Paul says that if any man does not agree with the words of the Lord Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, they are proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. For naturally a person who justifies sin is being proud. The Bible teaches to live holy, and not unholy.

    “For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” (1 Thessalonians 4:7).

    But...

    “Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.” (Isaiah 26:10).
     
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    Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Hebrews 5:9 basically says that Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 10:26 says that if we willfully sin after we receive the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.

    Also, can a son struggle with sin and still be saved? Yes, this is true as long as they are confessing and forsaking their sin. The goal of course is to overcome their mortal sin by God's power. In other words, there is a difference between justifying sin vs. battling against sin.

    In fact, you fail to understand that in the parable of the prodigal son: The prodigal son was DEAD and he became ALIVE AGAIN as stated by the father in the parable. Seeing the prodigal son did not physically die, this then is referring to his spiritual condition. He was spiritually a dead son while he spent his inheritance on prostitutes. He became alive AGAIN when he came back home and sought forgiveness with his father.

    Besides, 1 John 3:10 says this,
    “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother”

    So no. One cannot live in sin and be of God.

    “He that committeth sin is of the devil;” (1 John 3:10).

    “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.” (John 3:20).
     
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    I am sure some believe that way, but those who are for the truth of God's Word seek to work out their salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). Also, 2 Corinthians 13:5 is another good one that a believer would take instruction on, as well.
     
  14. Jamdoc

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    Romans 3:23
    Isaiah 53:6
    we've been over this. How can you have the claims of there not being a single person who doesn't sin, contrasting with examples of people who are blameless and righteous?
    The blood of Jesus Christ.
     
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    If you cannot live by what you preach, as an example of what you preach, nobody will want to listen to your interpretation that you cannot even live up to.
    That is being hypocritical.

    as to Matthew 5:28-30, it shows a seriousness that which we should wage war against sin, but, if Jesus meant you should quite literally seriously injure yourself and risk death because you might look at a woman and have an impulse of lust.. well, is the bible advocating suicide?

    We'd have a lot of blind, and quadruple amputees dying of infections if we were to take that literally.
    Do you take literally that we're to die daily? Just commit suicide daily?
    Probably not.
    It is an ATTITUDE with which we are to live life. Not actual physical things that we need to be doing to the temple of the Holy Spirit.
    If drinking a beer is defiling the Temple, then self amputating limbs and eyeballs and getting infected certainly is too.
    You also have me wrong on 1 John 1:9
    what I am saying is that when you confess sins to the Father and ask for forgiveness, you are forgiven by the same sacrifice of Jesus' blood, there is no further sacrifice you can perform to atone. Jesus was sufficient. You still have to ask for it.
    and the other condition is, you have to forgive others for what you are asking God to forgive you for. So, if someone stole from you and you steal something, and you hold a grudge against the thief and ask God to forgive your theft....
    that's not gonna work out.
    You have to forgive the person who stole from you, then ask God to forgive you for when you stole (just to give an example, not accusing you of stealing)
    I THINK we both understand 1 John 1:9 the same way it's just that you are thinking we'd never need to use 1 John 1:9 and ask for forgiveness because of a belief that you never sin.
    I know I fall short of the glory of God. even if I don't know exactly what I did that was a sin, even when I try to avoid sin. There is always some more profitable way I could be using my time and I'm not doing it. Mayhe I only read through 5 chapters of the bible that day and I know I should be reading more, I consider that to be a sin for me. Because James 4:17.
    I know that even on facebook, there was a chance to proclaim the gospel in a comment and I didn't do it, that's a sin to me.
    Sometimes because of James 4:17 setting such a high bar, I feel like, if I'm doing ANYTHING aside from reading the bible, praying, going to church, singing worship songs, witnessing to people, or doing the basic required things for my physical body to live, I've sinned.
    We likely have different definitions for what we consider to be sin, and I have a very low threshold for what I consider to be sin and you may have a higher threshold, and therefore I see myself sinning more and you see yourself sinning less.
    But I can't overlook James 4:17
     
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    I noticed you did not stick with Hebrews 12 which is telling. A text without the context is a pretext for a proof text.

    Now back to Hebrews 12. I have never said one can sin and not confess their sin and repent.

    A real born again believer will do just that as they are convicted by the Holy Spirit of their sin. They will repent and forsake their sin. A believer who has sinned grieves the Holy Spirit in them and will repent and turn back to God. Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound ? May it never be. A believer loves what God loves and hates what God hates. I have never said otherwise.

    Hebrews 12:4-13
    in your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

    My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
    and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
    6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
    and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”

    7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

    12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13 “Make level paths for your feet,” so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

    hope this helps !!!
     
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    I quoted Hebrews 12:14 of which you stopped quoting at. How telling that is. You quote only the verses that supports your slanted view. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. I also quoted other parts of Hebrew because there are no chapter breaks in the Bible. Hebrews is one whole long letter. But of course you do not like the other verses I have shown to you, and so you ignore them.
     
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    I exposed your false teaching regarding a son. They remain a son.
     
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    You quote yet again verses out of context. Romans 3:23 is in reference to how we all have fallen short of God's glory in reference to our past life. If you believe Romans 3:23 is in reference to even the present day life of the believer, then you must also apply Romans 3:11 to the present day life of the believer, as well.

    “There is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.” (Romans 3:11).​

    Are you saying that Christians do not have any understanding and that they do not seek after God?
    See, you fail to realize that Romans 3 is quoting the unbeliever who says there is no God in Psalms 14.

    “...The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psalms 14:1).​

    Again, you are assuming that this is in reference to the present day walk of the faithful believer, when this is referring to the fact that all have sinned at one point in their life. For the believer they went astray (sinned) before coming to the Lord.

    You have to ignore that Abel's works were righteous. You have to ingore the testimony of Job, Enoch, Zacharias, Elisabeth, and the 144,000 to make your belief work.

    I shown you the context in Scripture of the testimony of these righteous men, and it was in context to their holy conduct and it does not mention how they trusted in the finished work of Christ. So again, you ignore Scripture to fit your own beliefs you want to be true.
     
  20. Bible Highlighter

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    You did nothing of the sort. You stopped at Hebrews 12:14.
    Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.
    You fail to read and understand that this is in reference to holy conduct because one of the other conditions to seeing the Lord is making peace with all men in Hebrews 12:14.

    Besides, sons can be dead sons according to the Parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32).
    Dead sons do not partake in family picnics and or get togethers.
    The children of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness (Matthew 8:12).
    A believer can be in the kingdom of Christ, and cast out on account of their sin (Read Matthew 13:41-42).
     
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