What is the Truth?

What is the Truth?

  • Psalm 119:142

  • John 14:6

  • All of the above.

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(CLV) Hb 10:26
For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

(CLV) Hb 10:27
but a certain fearful waiting for judging and fiery jealousy, about to be eating the hostile.

(CLV) Hb 10:28
Anyone repudiating Moses' law is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

(CLV) Hb 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?
 
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What is the Truth?

John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth...

John 16:13

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Ephesians 4:15

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,
 
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John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Ephesians 4:15
Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,

These verses don't tell us what the truth is.
 
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John 17:17

Yahshua is praying to YHWH in this verse.

(CLV) Jn 17:17
Hallow them by Thy truth. Thy word is truth.

I believe that the Torah (law) is the word of YWHW. I believe that Yahshua is the word of YHWH.

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As it seems that you believe that the Torah (law) is the truth; and it seems that you believe that Yahshua is the truth; do you believe that Yahshua was the Torah (law) in the flesh?
 
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Yahshua is praying to YHWH in this verse.

(CLV) Jn 17:17
Hallow them by Thy truth. Thy word is truth.

I believe that the Torah (law) is the word of YWHW. I believe that Yahshua is the word of YHWH.

Question:

As it seems that you believe that the Torah (law) is the truth; and it seems that you believe that Yahshua is the truth; do you believe that Yahshua was the Torah (law) in the flesh?

For me I believe Jesus and the father are one *John 10:30. Their word and laws are the same. All the law and the prophets pointed to Jesus as the promised Messiah. Jesus is the truth and God's Word *John 14:6; John 1:1-4 and came in the flesh *John 1:14. Therefore Jesus is the Word of Gods truth that came in the flesh according to the scriptures.
 
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Jesus did not come to do away with the law but to fulfil it. He is the Word of God made flesh, and God's Word - the old and new testaments, are truth. None of it will pass away because He is all truth.

Sometimes I think about the miracles in the Bible. I take them as truth by faith because of my faith in their source, our God. But I was not alive to see them. Abraham was not alive in the flesh to see his seed thrive up to today, but against all hope he believed God in faith, and it was just as God told him it would turn out.

Let God be God, and all men be liars. Compared to Him, we are. It is by grace that He has any patience with us, or compassion on us. This is an offence to those who do not believe, but once you know the truth, you will be set free by it.

What is truth? God's Word. Amen.
 
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Jesus did not come to do away with the law but to fulfil it. He is the Word of God made flesh, and God's Word - the old and new testaments, are truth. None of it will pass away because He is all truth.
That, in no way means that new covenant believers are under the dictates of the old covenant. There is no Levite priesthood. Jesus is our high Priest and He didn't come from the tribe of Levite. When there is a change in the priesthood there is also a change in the Law. Change is what the new covenant is about. The old covenant was about how the Israelites were to live. It was their constitution. It was not a covenant concerning salvation. The new covenant is all about salvation. Two covenants that had two entirely different meanings. I don't live under the constitution given only to Israel, I live under the covenant Jesus gave all mankind at Calvary.

Sometimes I think about the miracles in the Bible. I take them as truth by faith because of my faith in their source, our God. But I was not alive to see them. Abraham was not alive in the flesh to see his seed thrive up to today, but against all hope he believed God in faith, and it was just as God told him it would turn out.
Abraham was saved because of his faith just as all mankind is saved. It was not by his keeping some law that he was saved and it is not by some law that all mankind is saved. Yes, the law was perfect to David. He evidently was not privy to God's perfect Grace or he failed to mention it.

Let God be God, and all men be liars. Compared to Him, we are. It is by grace that He has any patience with us, or compassion on us. This is an offence to those who do not believe, but once you know the truth, you will be set free by it.
Amen!
 
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For me I believe Jesus and the father are one *John 10:30. Their word and laws are the same. All the law and the prophets pointed to Jesus as the promised Messiah. Jesus is the truth and God's Word *John 14:6; John 1:1-4 and came in the flesh *John 1:14. Therefore Jesus is the Word of Gods truth that came in the flesh according to the scriptures.
Amen LGW and thank you for your concise post. It was a pleasure to read.
 
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That, in no way means that new covenant believers are under the dictates of the old covenant.
Never said we do. I agree, and actually concur with the rest of what you said. I don't understand what prompted your response but I have no argument with you. Are you disagreeing that He fufilled the law instead of doing away with it?

That's not the feeling I get but I would not want to assume something you are not saying. Be blessed :)
 
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Never said we do. I agree, and actually concur with the rest of what you said. I don't understand what prompted your response but I have no argument with you. Are you disagreeing that He fufilled the law instead of doing away with it?
Jesus said it and I believe it. The Israelites failed to keep the covenant God gave them. The covenant was an "if" covenant and Israel failed thus they were the ones that did away with all of the covenant including all of the laws of that covenant. You wrote: the old and new testaments, are truth. None of it will pass away because He is all truth. I took that to mean mankind is still under the dictates of the old covenant. They both are the truth and will remain forever. I rendered your statement to mean we are under the judgement of the old covenant. So sorry for the misunderstanding. Keep up the good work of proclaiming the Gospel.

That's not the feeling I get but I would not want to assume something you are not saying. Be blessed :)
Thank you for your blessing and the same to you.
 
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Thank you for your blessing and the same to you.
Amen :)
I still don't believe that's what Jesus said.

Matthew 5v17-18: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill it. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

I think His design is unmistakeable, given that we aware that He himself was born a Jew, came to give the gospel to the Jews first then the Gentiles, His disciples were Jewish and the first fruits of salvation on the day of Pentecost were 3000 in Jerusalem The first Christians were Jewish and the evangelised the Gentiles, like Paul and Barnabas.

There were many issues that the Jews had with regards with their relationship to God, but never has He given up on His people. They have their place in His plan of salvation even in the book of Revelation. God will never be done with them, and we are told to bless them, for they shall prosper that love them. Through Abraham and his seed we have all been blessed. I love my Messianic brothers and sisters, and I love the nation of Israel. We as Christians are called to love, and though we may misunderstand one another, we can still obey that call. God loves but God is also just and hates sin, just as we should.

Isn't it wonderful? Despite our sin and the death it worked in us, there was still something of value and salvageable in us, Jew or not. There but for the grace of God, not the law, we go - but the law has its place and purpose even today. It's even treated as an effective tool for evangelism, which I can totally see its applicability even today, as archaic as it may seem to some.

God works all things together for good for those who love Him and are called according to His purposes; even the law, in our day and time. How precious are His thoughts towards us :)
 
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Amen :)
I still don't believe that's what Jesus said.

Matthew 5v17-18: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill it. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

I think His design is unmistakeable, given that we aware that He himself was born a Jew, came to give the gospel to the Jews first then the Gentiles, His disciples were Jewish and the first fruits of salvation on the day of Pentecost were 3000 in Jerusalem The first Christians were Jewish and the evangelised the Gentiles, like Paul and Barnabas.

There were many issues that the Jews had with regards with their relationship to God, but never has He given up on His people. They have their place in His plan of salvation even in the book of Revelation. God will never be done with them, and we are told to bless them, for they shall prosper that love them. Through Abraham and his seed we have all been blessed. I love my Messianic brothers and sisters, and I love the nation of Israel. We as Christians are called to love, and though we may misunderstand one another, we can still obey that call. God loves but God is also just and hates sin, just as we should.

Isn't it wonderful? Despite our sin and the death it worked in us, there was still something of value and salvageable in us, Jew or not. There but for the grace of God, not the law, we go - but the law has its place and purpose even today. It's even treated as an effective tool for evangelism, which I can totally see its applicability even today, as archaic as it may seem to some.

God works all things together for good for those who love Him and are called according to His purposes; even the law, in our day and time. How precious are His thoughts towards us :)
God chose Paul, who thought he was under the law, and instructed him to go to the gentiles and preach the good news of Salvation through Christ to gentiles and Jews that salvation is a gift and it is not by the works of the Law. He taught that the Law ended with the coming of Jesus Gal 3:19 and that the law of the Ten commandments were "The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death," 2Cor3:7. He, in Gal 3, called the Galatians foolish for listening to the Judaizers. The new way ended the old way for the nation of Israel. There is neither Greek or Jew in God's eyes. All are welcome to accept the Son and the gifts of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and eternal life. We all do it the same way. Yes, God still loves all of the children from Abraham, but they have fallen from the tree and have to be grafted in just as gentiles.

There are many things we can glean from the old law and how the children of Israel lived under those laws, but remember those laws could never save even one Israelite. They were given by God to a bunch of former slaves as the way He wanted them to live. They failed every time God reestablished them. Their only hope is Jesus. Salvation is what the new covenant is all about. The old way has passed. No one is under its dictates.
 
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(CLV) Hb 10:26
For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

(CLV) Hb 10:27
but a certain fearful waiting for judging and fiery jealousy, about to be eating the hostile.

(CLV) Hb 10:28
Anyone repudiating Moses' law is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

(CLV) Hb 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?
If we think of Torah as representing God's thought, and the logos of John 1:1 as also representing God's thought, then we can see how they overlap.

But I would be reluctant to say that Torah became flesh and dwelt among us. I think that would be like mixing metaphors or something.

Suppose we say that since Jesus and Torah are related, we are to follow Torah as we follow Jesus. If that thought is raised, I think the issue it brings up is that some change seems to have happened to Torah, or at least its application, with the coming of Jesus.

Great thread idea!
 
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Jesus said it and I believe it. The Israelites failed to keep the covenant God gave them. The covenant was an "if" covenant and Israel failed thus they were the ones that did away with all of the covenant including all of the laws of that covenant. You wrote: the old and new testaments, are truth. None of it will pass away because He is all truth. I took that to mean mankind is still under the dictates of the old covenant. They both are the truth and will remain forever. I rendered your statement to mean we are under the judgement of the old covenant. So sorry for the misunderstanding. Keep up the good work of proclaiming the Gospel.


Thank you for your blessing and the same to you.
No. No if. The old testament and Jesus are both truths. And the people of Israel will safeguard Jerusalem till the end of time. You decide that time. No choice, both are the same. Seems like goading
 
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That, in no way means that new covenant believers are under the dictates of the old covenant.

How do you define sin? How do you reconcile your definition with the OP?

There is no Levite priesthood.

Wrong.

(CLV) Jer 33:20
Thus says Yahweh: If you could annul My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night so that daytime and night fail to come about in their proper time,

(CLV) Jer 33:21
then also My covenant could be annulled with David My servant, so that he should not come to have a son reigning on his throne, and that with the Levites, the priests, My ministers.

Jesus is our high Priest and He didn't come from the tribe of Levite.

...and?

When there is a change in the priesthood there is also a change in the Law.

Where did you get this word change? Transference is a more accurate translation.

Change is what the new covenant is about.

What change would that be?

The old covenant was about how the Israelites were to live.

Which old covenant would that be?

The Yahshuaic Covenant is with Israel.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Are you grafted into Israel?

It was their constitution.

No it wasn't.

It was not a covenant concerning salvation.

Yes it was.

(CLV) Isa 25:8
He will swallow up death permanently, And my Lord Yahweh will wipe away every tear from on all faces, And the reproach of His people He shall take away from on the entire earth, For the mouth of Yahweh has spoken.

(CLV) Isa 25:9
And one will say in that day: Behold, this is Yahweh our Elohim; We are expectant in Him, and He shall save us; This is Yahweh; We are expectant in Him; let us |exult, And let us rejoice in His salvation.

(CLV) Isa 25:10
For the hand of Yahweh shall rest on this mountain, Yet Moab will be stomped on under Him, As crushed straw is stomped on- in a manure pit;

(CLV) Isa 25:11
And within it he will spread out his hands, Just as the swimmer spreads them to swim; Yet He will abase his pride, Along with the lairs made by his hands;

(CLV) Isa 25:12
And the impregnable fortress of your walls He will prostrate, He will abase, He will bring in contact with the earth, unto the dust.

(CLV) Isa 26:1
In that day, this song shall be sung in the land of Judah: Behold, we have a strong city; And our salvation shall He set for walls and rampart.

(CLV) Isa 26:2
Open the gates, and a righteous nation shall enter, One that is keeping truths.

A righteous nation that is keeping truths. Do you understand this?

The new covenant is all about salvation.

That too. YHWH renewed his covenant with Israel through Yahshua.

Two covenants that had two entirely different meanings.

Wrong.

I don't live under the constitution given only to Israel, I live under the covenant Jesus gave all mankind at Calvary

Not all mankind is in that covenant.

We already went over this.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.



Abraham was saved because of his faith just as all mankind is saved.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

It was not by his keeping some law that he was saved and it is not by some law that all mankind is saved.

I keep the law in faithfulness to YHWH; because he saves me from sin.

He evidently was not privy to God's perfect Grace or he failed to mention it.

(CLV) Gn 6:8
Yet Noah, he found grace in the eyes of Yahweh.

(CLV) Ex 33:13
And now, I pray, if I have found grace in Your eyes let me know, I pray, Your way that I may know You and that I may find grace in Your eyes: Consider that this nation is Your people.
 
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Isaiah 56:7
Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Romans 6:2-4
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Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life,

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.



God's Word is truth, and it is applicable to all, available to all, and can and should be lived out by all - regardless of nationality, gender or status. The veil has been torn into two.
 
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Wrong.

(CLV) Jer 33:20
Thus says Yahweh: If you could annul My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night so that daytime and night fail to come about in their proper time,

(CLV) Jer 33:21
then also My covenant could be annulled with David My servant, so that he should not come to have a son reigning on his throne, and that with the Levites, the priests, My ministers.

Do you believe there are sons of Levi serving as priests today, then?
 
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That, in no way means that new covenant believers are under the dictates of the old covenant. There is no Levite priesthood. Jesus is our high Priest and He didn't come from the tribe of Levite. When there is a change in the priesthood there is also a change in the Law. Change is what the new covenant is about. The old covenant was about how the Israelites were to live. It was their constitution. It was not a covenant concerning salvation. The new covenant is all about salvation. Two covenants that had two entirely different meanings. I don't live under the constitution given only to Israel, I live under the covenant Jesus gave all mankind at Calvary.


Abraham was saved because of his faith just as all mankind is saved. It was not by his keeping some law that he was saved and it is not by some law that all mankind is saved. Yes, the law was perfect to David. He evidently was not privy to God's perfect Grace or he failed to mention it.


Amen!

Amen, a lot of people don’t realize that the Old Covenant was not about salvation. God never promised the Israelites salvation in the Old Covenant He promised them prosperity in this life.
 
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