What is the student's responsibility?

[OldWiseGuy]

Education is seen by many as a rite-of-passage rather than a necessary learning experience.

 

[Motherofkittens]

When you're hungry, scared and worrying about being homeless or getting shot and countless other worries it is hard to learn. Your first priority is to survive. Plus some are ignorant of what education can do for you and most poor people can't afford college anyway, so why bother?

And there are bad teachers and/or bad school.
No, home schooling is not the answer. I was home schooled. My parents didn't know how to teach and we were housekeepers and nannies to other siblings and we basically just got taught Christianity. I had to teach myself to read and write.

 

[Motherofkittens]

What does "poor and disadvantaged" have to do with it? Why would financially poor students have any less personal responsibility than any other students?

I think that your use of these terms (one of which I completely reject, as I do the existence of Bigfoot) is part of the problem. We have lowered the bar of expectation for some kids, and they know we have. They live down to our expectations.

You don't believe there are disadvantaged people? Do you live in la la land?

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Education is seen by many as a rite-of-passage rather than a necessary learning experience.

That is by design.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

I had to teach myself to read and write.

Being an autodidact is a powerful tool.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When you're hungry, scared and worrying about being homeless or getting shot and countless other worries it is hard to learn. Your first priority is to survive. Plus some are ignorant of what education can do for you and most poor people can't afford college anyway, so why bother?

And there are bad teachers and/or bad school.
No, home schooling is not the answer. I was home schooled. My parents didn't know how to teach and we were housekeepers and nannies to other siblings and we basically just got taught Christianity. I had to teach myself to read and write.

Are you projecting your personal experience on everyone?

 

[Cearbhall]

No, home schooling is not the answer. I was home schooled. My parents didn't know how to teach and we were housekeepers and nannies to other siblings and we basically just got taught Christianity. I had to teach myself to read and write.

Just an anecdote.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When you're hungry, scared and worrying about being homeless or getting shot and countless other worries it is hard to learn. Your first priority is to survive.

We have our Godless educational system to thank for these conditions.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Just an anecdote.

Her first sentence says otherwise.

 

[Cearbhall]

Her first sentence says otherwise.

That's why I posted...she's using anecdotal evidence.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's why I posted...she's using anecdotal evidence.

Gotcha, sorry.

 

[Cearbhall]

We have our Godless educational system to thank for these conditions.

Ah yes, because we all know that the flourishing countries of the world are the theocracies, and the hellholes are those that are most secularized.

And we have our godless education system to thank for what conditions, exactly? The highest educational attainment rates ever? The lowest crime rates in decades? The lowest teen pregnancy rate ever? Exponential increases in science, medicine, and technology?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Ah yes, because we all know that the flourishing countries of the world are the theocracies, and the hellholes are those that are most secularized.

And we have our Godless education system to thank for what conditions, exactly? The highest educational attainment rates ever? The lowest crime rates in decades? The lowest teen pregnancy rate ever? Exponential increases in science, medicine, and technology?

Sorry, I was reviewing our problems, not our achievements. Pretty grim, and mostly preventable by following God's way of life.

We have achievements in medicine because so many are sick. Sadly many of those sick don't have access to those 'achievements'.

 

[Cearbhall]

Sorry, I was reviewing our problems, not our achievements.

Is an achievement not simply the decrease or conquering of a problem?

Pretty grim, and mostly preventable by following God's way of life.

And through other means.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is an achievement not simply the decrease or conquering of a problem?

Our problems are more or less persistent and more are popping up all the time. We tend to make a business of our problems rather than making them go away.

 

[Cearbhall]

Our problems are more or less persistent and more are popping up all the time.

Not true at all. Humanity continues to make steady progress in nearly every measurable way, and I'm content with that. It's the best time to be alive. I can't really ask for more than that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not true at all. Humanity continues to make steady progress in nearly every measurable way, and I'm content with that. It's the best time to be alive. I can't really ask for more than that.

I think we're in the "lull before the storm".

 

[Divide]

Did you read the sentence I bolded in the quote my post was in response to?

Sure I did. That the CIA writes the books and stuff. That's what I was talking about. So jump through the cia hoops so the kid can get his little slip of paper...but he is also going to get a real eduacation because of the info that the parent provides in addition to the cia materials. lol

 

[Dave-W]

We have our Godless educational system to thank for these conditions.

I would change "educational" to "world" to more accurately describe it.
We live in a fallen world, and those conditions exist whether it is involved with education or not.

 

[bhsmte]

We have our Godless educational system to thank for these conditions.

no one is stopping you or anyone from injecting god into whatever part of their life, they care to.