What is the sin unto death and the sin not unto death?

[Bible Highlighter]

What is the sin unto death?
What is the sin not unto death?

And discuss.

Note:

I am not asking these questions because I don't know. I am merely curious to see people's reasons or answers they have according to Scripture. Some say the sin unto death is willful sin and some say the sin unto death is exclusively the unpardonable sin. I do not agree with either of those conclusions.


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[Saint Beloved]

Forgive my ignorance for I am still learning and studying. I'd like to observe and learn from this discussion.
I was taught that the sin unto death is wilful sin as the unpardonable sin ceased to exist once Christ ascended into Heaven and left His Spirit here.

 

[DeerGlow]

What is the sin unto death?
What is the sin not unto death?

And discuss.

Note:

I am not asking these questions because I don't know. I am merely curious to see people's reasons or answers they have according to Scripture. Some say the sin unto death is willful sin and some say the sin unto death is exclusively the unpardonable sin. I do not agree with either of those conclusions.


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I don't know. I can't ignore these threads though.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[1stcenturylady]

The sin unto death is apostasy.

 

[DeerGlow]

In the OT some people were killed by God and it was due to they were wicked. Not sure just what made them to be
charged in that way and slain. Also, there is a part as to not giving flattering titles to men - or it seems that God will take that person away -as slay them.

or maybe -suicide?

That would be a sin of death.

 

[DeerGlow]

The sin unto death is apostasy.

Please explain, someone like me who strays from the faith is dead while breathing or someone who leaves and never looks back?

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Wolfe]

Please explain, someone like me who strays from the faith is dead while breathing or someone who leaves and never looks back?

Well the term unto death, would imply an ongoing sin, until death.

So the latter would be the case.

 

[DeerGlow]

Well the term unto death, would imply an ongoing sin, until death.

So the latter would be the case.

Not to be rude, but I've heard that interpretation before and I am wondering which interpretation @1stcenturylady holds.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Forgive my ignorance for I am still learning and studying. I'd like to observe and learn from this discussion.
I was taught that the sin unto death is wilful sin as the unpardonable sin ceased to exist once Christ ascended into Heaven and left His Spirit here.

I am willing to share my belief.
I just want to see how others justify their beliefs on this with Scripture.

Anyways, what are the Scripture verses for your views on these points?


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[Bible Highlighter]

Not to be rude, but I've heard that interpretation before and I am wondering which interpretation @1stcenturylady holds.

Pastor Alan Ballou (who I think is a great pastor) and a friend of mine online holds to the "willful sin" view. But I simply do not agree that the "willful sin" view in regards to the sin unto death. It simply does not fit the context or the rest of Scripture.


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[1stcenturylady]

Not to be rude, but I've heard that interpretation before and I am wondering which interpretation @1stcenturylady holds.

To me it means to renunciate Christ forever.

I used to believe it was willful sin, but have changed my mind because of repentance, which leads to forgiveness.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I believe that the sin unto death and the sin not unto death are tied to the context of John's 1st epistle. It can also extend to even more different types of sins mentioned elsewhere in Scripture, as well.

Now, people may say these sins means this or that, but where is the mention of such a thing in John's epistle? Does it seem to fit or capture the heart of his epistle overall? Put yourself in the shoes of the readers who first received John's epistle. What if they didn't have a copy of the book (scroll) of Hebrews or other pieces of Scripture? Many times we take for granted that we have a whole Bible. Yes, the Bible should breath as a whole, but it also she be read in context of the individual books themselves, as well.


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[1stcenturylady]

I believe that the sin unto death and the sin not unto death are tied to the context of John's 1st epistle. It can also extend to even more different types of sins mentioned elsewhere in Scripture, as well.

Now, people may say these sins means this or that, but where is the mention of such a thing in John's epistle? Does it seem to fit or capture the heart of his epistle overall? Put yourself in the shoes of the readers who first received John's epistle. What if they didn't have a copy of the book (scroll) of Hebrews or other pieces of Scripture? Many times we take for granted that we have a whole Bible. Yes, the Bible should breath as a whole, but it also she be read in context of the individual books themselves, as well.


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I'm looking forward to your view on this. Frankly, I go back and forth on this verse and to its meaning.

Here is another verse related to this subject that must be taken into consideration.

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm looking forward to your view on this. Frankly, I go back and forth on this verse and to its meaning.

Thank you. I will pray over this passage and do some more research on it and give a good reply on it.
I feel like I speak really well on it now, but I always like learning more.

Here is another verse related to this subject that must be taken into consideration.

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

Oh yes, I was aware of this passage in James 5 in connection with 1 John 5.
But thank you for bring it up.
I will also study this again, as well.

May God bless you.


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[Ron Gurley]

OP: Q1: "What is the sin unto death?" (mortal?)
Q2: "What is the sin NOT unto death?" (venial?)

1 John 5:16-17 (NASB)
If anyone sees his brother committing a sin NOT leading to death (venial?),
he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death.
There is a sin leading to death (mortal?); I do not say that he should make request for this.
All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin NOT leading to death.

1 John 5: 13-21
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God,
so that you may know that you have eternal life.
14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears
15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.

16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin NOT leading to death,
he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin NOT leading to death.
There is a sin LEADING to death;
I do not say that he should make request for this.
17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin NOT leading to death.

18 We know that no one who is "born of God" sins;
but He who was born of God keeps him, and
the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and
has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are IN Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.

RCC DOGMA!

http://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-the-difference-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/

Mortal versus Venial Sin

These two categories of sin are explicitly to be found in Sacred Scripture.
In the Old Covenant there were sins that merited the death penalty and sins that could be expiated by an offering.
This Law was a teacher that prepared the way for the faith (Gal. 3:24).
In the New Covenant these material categories are replaced by spiritual ones, natural death by eternal death.
There are thus daily faults for which we must daily ask forgiveness (Mt. 6:12),
for even the "just man falls seven times a day" (Prov. 24:16), and
mortal faults that separate the sinner from God (1 Cor.6:9-10) for all eternity.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10(NASB)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived;
neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers,
will inherit the kingdom of God.

The RELATIONSHIP between SIN and DEATH
Proverbs 10:16
The wages of the righteous is life, but
the earnings of the wicked are sin and death.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but
the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:10
The death he died, he died to sin once FOR all;
but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

James 1:15
Then, after desire has conceived,
it gives birth to sin; and
sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

1 Peter 3:18 (NASB)...substitutionary atonement!
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (Jesus) FOR the unjust,(Mankind)
so that He might bring us to God, (reconciliation/salvation)
having been put to death in the flesh,(Body/Soul bled to death)
but made alive in the spirit;(resurrection, appearances, ascension)

 

[1stcenturylady]

OP: Q1: "What is the sin unto death?" (mortal?)
Q2: "What is the sin NOT unto death?" (venial?)

1 John 5:16-17 (NASB)
If anyone sees his brother committing a sin NOT leading to death (venial?),
he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death.
There is a sin leading to death (mortal?); I do not say that he should make request for this.
All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin NOT leading to death.

1 John 5: 13-21
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God,
so that you may know that you have eternal life.
14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears
15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.

16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin NOT leading to death,
he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin NOT leading to death.
There is a sin LEADING to death;
I do not say that he should make request for this.
17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin NOT leading to death.

18 We know that no one who is "born of God" sins;
but He who was born of God keeps him, and
the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and
has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are IN Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.

RCC DOGMA!

http://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-the-difference-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/

Mortal versus Venial Sin

These two categories of sin are explicitly to be found in Sacred Scripture.
In the Old Covenant there were sins that merited the death penalty and sins that could be expiated by an offering.
This Law was a teacher that prepared the way for the faith (Gal. 3:24).
In the New Covenant these material categories are replaced by spiritual ones, natural death by eternal death.
There are thus daily faults for which we must daily ask forgiveness (Mt. 6:12),
for even the "just man falls seven times a day" (Prov. 24:16), and
mortal faults that separate the sinner from God (1 Cor.6:9-10) for all eternity.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10(NASB)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived;
neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers,
will inherit the kingdom of God.

The RELATIONSHIP between SIN and DEATH
Proverbs 10:16
The wages of the righteous is life, but
the earnings of the wicked are sin and death.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but
the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:10
The death he died, he died to sin once FOR all;
but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

James 1:15
Then, after desire has conceived,
it gives birth to sin; and
sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

1 Peter 3:18 (NASB)...substitutionary atonement!
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (Jesus) FOR the unjust,(Mankind)
so that He might bring us to God, (reconciliation/salvation)
having been put to death in the flesh,(Body/Soul bled to death)
but made alive in the spirit;(resurrection, appearances, ascension)

Thanks for the catechism definitions. Although, untrue gossip I would say is mortal, not venial. Possibly Peters abandoning the Gentiles in favor of the Judaizers, would be venial. And Paul's rebuff publically also would be venial. What do you think a venial sin would be?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Good night