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Featured What is the Sign of the Son of Man?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jul 6, 2017.

  1. Quasar92

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    The sign of the Son of Man referred to by Jesus in Mt.24:30 is explained from what was written in Rev,12:1-2, called the "Wonderous sign in heaven." The sign of the Son of Man Jesus refers to in Mt.24:30.

    The Great and Wonderous Sign - in the heavens - of Rev.12:1-3:

    You could say - it is the gospel in the sky. (Ps.89:5) This wonder takes place once every year at a very specific time. When Jesus was born. [The Star of Bethlehem was also involved in the astronomical phenomenon, but so far, only a one time event, and is another subject].

    The woman in Rev.12:1-2, represents a virgin with the sun amidst her body, representing her pregnancy. The moon at her feet representing the specific time frame this event takes place, in which the sun is setting while the moon is rising in the heavens.

    The only time of year this event can be witnessed, is at the summer equinox, in late September to early October, as seen from the middle east, at or around the Jewish Holy Convocation - feast and festival - of Rosh Hashanah. Their New Year - which they call "a year of new beginnings." It is also the last fall feast and festival of their year which they call the "feast of trumpets." They also believe it marks the anniversary of the day God began the creation.

    The woman's body is in the Constellation of Virgo (The virgin). She represents the virgin Mary, of Israel, who cries out in pain as she is about to give birth. She has a crown of twelve stars on her head - representing the twelve tribes of Israel. The sun is amid her body, signifying her pregnancy.

    Her head is about 10% in the previous Constellation Leo (The Lion - of Judah) and the crescent moon is at her feet, about 10% into the Constellation Libra (The scales of righteousness and judgement).

    With all the heavenly bodies in motion, this event can take place only between a time frame from 7:15 to 7:30P.M., a 15 minute window.

    So when Jesus talks about His return at His Second Advent in Mt.24:30, at the sign of the Son of Man, it will be at that specific time of year - and time frame!

    The source of this outstanding material, is from the book, "The Star That Astonished The World," by Ernest L. Martin, PhD. Which also identifies what the Star of Bethlehem was, from years of studies by scientists and astronomers working together on it in the early to mid '90s.See the following for more:

    Chapter 5: The Time of Jesus' Birth http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/star_susan_carroll.pd



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    /nvm
     
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  3. Arsenios

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    We like to think it is the Sign of the Cross...
    Perhaps accompanied by the words:
    "Let God Arise!
    Let His enemies be Scattered!
    Let them that hate Him Flee...
    From before His Face!"

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  4. tranquil

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    The sign is this Sept 23, 2017 and the 'great tribulation' will be occurring before that date (Matthew 24:21-31). The great tribulation will be during the next 2 1/2 months.

    The great tribulation is not the '2nd half of the 7 year covenant' as is assumed by nearly everyone.

    After this great tribulation, people will be 'gathered by the messengers' not magically whisked away (unless you count getting vaporized in a nuclear blast).
     
  5. Arsenios

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    Have we not been living the "End Times" for 2000 years now and counting?

    A nuclear death is just another carnal death...

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  6. Pappy&Me

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    No matter the 'sign' just be ready all the time and your ok. I'm still studying but while I'm doing so I am trying to be worthy of His coming. And that is a job for me.
     
  7. BABerean2

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    I do not like saying this, but...

    After the "Blood Moons" predictions and failures, when will we learn our lesson ?

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  8. Douggg

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    The sign of the Son of Man in heaven has nothing to do with Revelation 12. The sign of the Son of Man will be at the end of the 7 years. It is in Revelation 6, the sixth seal. The heavens will part and the world will see Jesus before the Throne of God. It will send terror into the hearts of the wicked of the world. And it will take the convincing of the Beast, the False Prophet, and Satan for the kings of the earth to assemble their armies at Armageddon in Revelation 16 to try and stop Jesus from executing judgment on them.

    Good wishes on your study. Your basic premise I agree with.
     
  9. Douggg

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    I think the concept is that we are living in the last days of the last days.

    Separately, is that a picture of you?
     
  10. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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    I wish!
    Despite our similarity of appearance, he speaks Greek AND a fair amount of English...
    And I English and no Greek...
    You are looking at Metropolitan Hierotheos Vlachos - Whose works helped me greatly in understanding exactly what this Christian Walk is all about...
    He is a very wise Elder from Nafpaktos, Greece...

    He has written 200+ very Spiritual books...
    Works without notes...
    4-6 weeks per book...

    Arsenios
     
  12. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Thanks for the education.
     
  13. Quasar92

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    The Wonerous site recorded in Rev.12:1-2 occurs every year at the time of the autumn equinox and the Jewish Holy Day of Rosh hashanah, in late September. There is no record of a cross appearing in the sky to anyone except Constantine.


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    See post #13.


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  15. Marilyn C

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    Hi Quasar92,

    Firstly we know that the Lord returning in power & great glory with His angelic army to deliver Israel and bring judgment upon the rebellious nations, will be around about midnight -

    `And at midnight a cry was heard, "Behold the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet Him." (Matt. 25: 6)
    `it shall come to pass in that day that there will be no light; the lights will diminish. it shall be one day which is known to the Lord - neither day nor night, but at evening time it shall happen that it will be light` (Zech. 14: 7)

    And as to the month it will be the first of the month of Adar, of which there will be two (Dan. 12: 11 & 12) which leads into the New Year (Nisan combined with Tishri)- the Feast of Tabernacles. The 2 months of Adar, comes every 3 years or so to catch up with the festivals. And note that the New Year Political and Religious will be combined as the Messiah is King and Priest.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  16. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hey Douggg,
    I agree with both points above.

    I disagree here. Matthew 24's sun, moon and stars are not the same as the 6th seal. The phase of the moon is what sets them apart. Matt. 24 moon doesn't give its light, not seen (new moon). But the moon in the 6th seal is a full lunar eclipse (blood moon), which comes two weeks later.

    The moon in Matt. 24 is what it will look like just before the new moon is seen, which is also the way it would be just before the Feast of Trumpets begins. Two weeks later a full moon will appear, which would be the Feast of Tabernacles, following the Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement. The sign of the Son of man is the sign of His coming (rapture). The blood moon is the sign for the Day of the Lord (wrath).

    Additionally, the end of the great tribulation is not the end of the age. Daniel 12:11-13 reveals an additional 45 days, which is ample time to fulfill the fall feasts, rapture, hour of trial, saving Israel (Day of Atonement), the second coming and God's wrath. Just some food for thought.

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    Again Quasar,

    The `sign` of the Son of Man is explained in the context -

    `Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.` (Matt. 24: 30)

    We know Jesus said when He comes it will be with power and great glory and all the holy angels with Him, and I think this first ray and glimmer of light is emanating from the distant armies of heaven who are on their way to this sin-stricken blackened earth. hence at evening time the light is brighter - as though there were a steady increase in this emanation of glory.

    The sign is the light through the darkness of the earth, a light which grows steady brighter till all see the Son of Man and the glory of the angelic army, in power and great glory.

    The key is the word `coming,` as it reveals the sign is an indication, a wonder, and His great glory coming closer brightening the dark earth will truly be an awesome wonder to behold.

    Marilyn.
     
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    Well, I don't think there is enough information to say what it is an eclipse or not. I don't personally think it will be. But regardless, what goes on with the moon has no bearing on the stars, does it?

    Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:13 and Revelation 12:8 indicates that the universe, the second heaven will be removed.

    Well, does it say the wicked men of the earth are terrorized by a blood moon?

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    And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    When the second heaven, the universe parts, the world will see the third heaven and the throne of God. The world is going to see Jesus.

    day 1 confirmation of the covenant
    day 1185 Aod setup to be worshiped
    day 2475 World sees Jesus at God's Throne
    day 2520 Jesus descends to earth

    The 45 days is between the sign of the Son of Man in heaven - to Jesus descending to earth. During the 45 days, the armies of the world will assemble at Armageddon intending to fight Jesus - why do the heathen rage and imagine a vain thing?

    day1.....day 1185 (AOD setup)....1290 days to..... day 2475.....45 days to.... day 2520
     
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    Hello Marilyn,

    Thanks for your input. If you review the OP, the wonderous sign in the heavens, in Rev.12:1-2, the precise time frame of Jesus birth, was at the setting of the sun, while the moon was just beginning to rise, symultaneously in the sky. The window of time this event can take place with the movement of the heavenly bodies, is 10 to 15 minutes, if that long, at only one time of the year. In late September, at the summer equinox, at the time of the Jewish Holy convocation of Rosh Hashanah. Their New Year, and Day of new beginnings, as I previously wrote in the OP. The event cannot happen at midnight. The event is what Jesus was referring to as the sign of the Son of Man, in Mt.24:30.

    Hope this helps.


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    The great tribulation is not 1260 days. When do the 2 witnesses witness? In the 1st half of the 7 year covenant.

    Dan 9
    24 “Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

    25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing.

    And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
    the 'call to restore Jerusalem' was the original "Jerusalem Day' holiday in Israel. June 7, 1967 or 28th Iyyar 5727 (Hebrew calendar)

    It is not "69 weeks" - it is 7 '7's and 62 '7's (which people automatically jump to '69 weeks' for no reason). It is 7 '7's (49 years) and then 62 weeks when the prince to come is 'cut off' - which gives us the time-frame of dusk Aug 12, 2017 (calculated from the Hebrew calendar) to Aug 15, 2017.

    The 'people of the prince to come' = locusts of the 5th & 6th Trumpets

    'shall destroy' = Apollyon/ Abaddon, the 'destroyer' (implied to be Gog see Gog, the Locust King (LXX Texts of Note 3)

    the 'city' = siege of Jerusalem = the 6th Trumpet (the 6th trumpet lasts for 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour which references Ezekiel's siege of Jerusalem, 7 days by the river + 390 days = 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour. the 4 angels out of the Euphrates (Revelation 9:14) are the same as the 4 angels out of the Chebar/ Kebar river (Ezekiel 1:10) & (Ezekiel 10:1-22). The Chebar/ Kebar river is thought by scholars to be located here:

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    basically the same location

    'shall destroy the city (6th trumpet war) & the sanctuary (more accurately this would be translated as the inner sanctuary/ the holy of holies Holy of Holies - Wikipedia

    This 'destroying of the sanctuary' would be more accurately translated as 'ruin' or spiritually destroy the inner sanctuary = the 'naos' Strong's Greek: 3485. ναός (naos) -- a temple

    Rev 11
    Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple / 'inner sanctuary' / 'naos'; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. 3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”​

    this is the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses and corresponds to when the princes to come make their 7 year covenant.

    And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city (6th Trumpet) and the sanctuary (2 witnesses). Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
    the 7 year covenant is made at the end of the 70 weeks and/ or at the start of the inner sanctuary being trampled. Maybe this is the meaning of 'confirming the covenant' - ie it happens 1st at the end of the 70 weeks (2 months after the anointed one is 'cut off') and at the end of the 5 months/ start of the 2 witnesses.

    there are 3? princes to come: 'the mortally head wounded individual; of Zechariah 11:15-17 & Revelation 13

    the false prophet

    Jesus - Jesus' people destroy the city & sanctuary (see Revelation 18)
     
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