What is the sign of the prophet Jonah?

[StormHawk]

Is it purely & simply the resurrection of Jesus after 3 days?
If so, how was that a sign given to the unbelieving generation since Jesus only appeared to believers!

 

[Skyguy9999]

First the Scripture in question (Matthew 12:38-40)

Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.” He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Is it purely & simply the resurrection of Jesus after 3 days?

Yes as it was given for them to look at, the symbolism given through Jonah is equivalent.

If so, how was that a sign given to the unbelieving generation since Jesus only appeared to believers!

No he appeared to all in the area, believers and not. Jesus used this reference because he was speaking to the Jewish people, who would know what this is. The Scripture goes on to reference the men of Nineveh and the Queen of the South (1 Kings 10:1-13) because they are non-Jewish people that found proper belief and repentance with people "lesser" than the Son of God Himself. How much more so rejecting the Son of God Himself when He was standing there before them!

In the end, the Jewish people were shown more through God's revealed revelation and through His miracles over several hundred years. They were shown God's nature through numerous other things, and even shown the Son of God Himself, yet they still were not believers upon Him.

 

[peggy sue]

First the Scripture in question (Matthew 12:38-40)




Yes as it was given for them to look at, the symbolism given through Jonah is equivalent.



No he appeared to all in the area, believers and not. Jesus used this reference because he was speaking to the Jewish people, who would know what this is. The Scripture goes on to reference the men of Nineveh and the Queen of the South (1 Kings 10:1-13) because they are non-Jewish people that found proper belief and repentance with people "lesser" than the Son of God Himself. How much more so rejecting the Son of God Himself when He was standing there before them!

In the end, the Jewish people were shown more through God's revealed revelation and through His miracles over several hundred years. They were shown God's nature through numerous other things, and even shown the Son of God Himself, yet they still were not believers upon Him.

good answer!

 

[StormHawk]

No he appeared to all in the area, believers and not.

I must have missed that information... can you point to the verse that shows this please?

Jesus used this reference because he was speaking to the Jewish people, who would know what this is.

The Scripture goes on to reference the men of Nineveh ...

But they would have known that Jonah appeared to the people of Nineveh after the time in the fish, it was not symbolism, it was a real, living, speaking sign that converted thousands!

How much more so rejecting the Son of God Himself when He was standing there before them!

But Jesus says that they shall be given a sign in the future, a real sign.

If you get a parking ticket and there is no sign displayed you have every right to complain and the law will vindicate you.

 

[Skyguy9999]

I must have missed that information... can you point to the verse that shows this please?

The verse AS WRITTEN expressly states that He is addressing the "Pharisees and the teachers of the law". There is no verse that specifically says "Jesus appeared to believers and non-believers". To think that Jesus only did anything with those that would accept Him is ludicrous on the face of it. His purpose was to present Himself and people made the choices of whether to believe or not believe. As most of us should know, the majority of the religious folk of the day did NOT accept Christ or believe on Him.

But they would have known that Jonah appeared to the people of Nineveh after the time in the fish, it was not symbolism, it was a real, living, speaking sign that converted thousands!

The whole story of Jonah points to the redemption given in Christ. As he indicates himself, the whale is a symbolism of what He came to bring.

But Jesus says that they shall be given a sign in the future, a real sign.

If you get a parking ticket and there is no sign displayed you have every right to complain and the law will vindicate you.

Re-read the Scripture. He says they will NOT receive signs and wonders in the future and even states that those who expect them are wicked! He goes on to say that they were GIVEN (not future, not present, PAST) the sign in the person of Jonah.

The fact is, they had so many "signs" presented them in numerous ways using numerous methods that there is no excuse or vindication for them.
And those that know history well know that they were beyond the point of being without excuse.

 

[ebia]

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[x141]

This sign can be found in Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Isaiah, Nebachanzzer, Israel etc. as well as the church as a whole and within us individualy. The opening of the book of Life, the Revelation of Jesus Christ, is not a book of without but a book of within that is coming out.

Anything less than One is a carrying away into babylon.

 

[StormHawk]

The verse AS WRITTEN expressly states that He is addressing the "Pharisees and the teachers of the law". There is no verse that specifically says "Jesus appeared to believers and non-believers". To think that Jesus only did anything with those that would accept Him is ludicrous on the face of it. His purpose was to present Himself and people made the choices of whether to believe or not believe. ...

So you think that the sign of the prophet Jonah was Jesus appearing before his death!?

Why then does Jesus refer specifically to the 3 days & nights in the belly of the earth followed by conversions because of what happens after as proof of "resurrection".

It seems to me that to disregard this detail is to miss the sign!

Re-read the Scripture. He says they will NOT receive signs and wonders in the future and even states that those who expect them are wicked! He goes on to say that they were GIVEN (not future, not present, PAST) the sign in the person of Jonah.

No, you have mis-read the scripture. Evil people will be given no other sign but signs will follow believers, and indeed they did and still do because Jesus has not changed.

Mark 16:15-20, John 14:12 ... Acts has these signs evident and indeed Paul warns against religious people who will deny them in future:

"in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be... Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof" (2 Tim. 3)

 

[Rose_bud]

Also interesting is that Jonah spent 3 days in the big fish and then spent fotrty days preaching in Nineveh, and they repented... Whereas Jesus spent 3 days in the tomb and then forty days in Jerusalem, before being taken up, and yet some did not believe....

 

[StormHawk]

Also interesting is that Jonah spent 3 days in the big fish and then spent fotrty days preaching in Nineveh, and they repented... Whereas Jesus spent 3 days in the tomb and then forty days in Jerusalem, before being taken up, and yet some did not believe....

It would have taken him 40 days to get from the Eastern Med to Nineveh, so his preaching coincides with Pentecost - God does not give ineffective signs!

 

[x141]

It would have taken him 40 days to get from the Eastern Med to Nineveh, so his preaching coincides with Pentecost - God does not give ineffective signs!

The word pentecost is fifteth. This feast has stretched from the ourpouring till now, it is the feast of tabernacles, this revealing in us that is at hand. Pentecost is the feast of a salvation yet with sin. Yet with a perception that we are both clean and unclean. Just like Moses' tabernalce, a covering of Badger skins and Ram skins dyed the color red, which is the word Adam.

This about Jonah has no depth, width, length, or height, no measure, other than the measure we put on it. The measuring by the woman is the hidding of the leaven just like the falling of the star is the key that opens the bottmless pit of which things that come out torment for five months, the whole of the feast of pentecost. They try to die but death flees from them.

 

[Rose_bud]

It would have taken him 40 days to get from the Eastern Med to Nineveh, so his preaching coincides with Pentecost - God does not give ineffective signs!

Jonah 3-4So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly great city, a three days' walk. Then Jonah began to go through the city one day's walk; and he cried out and said, "Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown."