Douglas Hendrickson said:
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2. I appreciate your changing the subject to abortion, so I'll respond by saying it seems "the way the Bible has it," God breathed into Adam, and he
became a person, a living soul.
PROVES THE LIFE OF A HUMAN BEING BEGINS AT BIRTH (From which we measure the length of the life of a person.) "Clay" is only a human being when God gives it breath, when it first has breath.
Though I'll find disfavor from many, no doubt, I do agree that a fetus is not a '
breathing creature' or fully matured '
soul' until it is born. But that does not mean it does not have
spirit life from the
Holy Spirit in the womb. Life which animates its 'also not fully matured'...
'body'. That's why that blob of 'clay' is a fetus and not a lifeless clay-pot.
QUESTION? When did 'the Holy Spirit' invest preternatural 'holy spirit power'....or life into the womb of Mary? I believe it was at conception.
I think "living soul" means "spirit being." Spirit and soul go together.
And yet separated in scripture. I look at spirit/soul as 2/3 of a human being 1Thes 5:23. Just like you,
I'm assuming here, look at a fetus as a '
non breathing' and therefore
soul-less fetus???
Is it spirit that gives "animating life energy," or is it spirit itself that IS that life energy?
I can't disagree with either 'thought'. What I do distinguish between though is this; There is a difference between '
the Spirit' and '
spirit energy' from 'the Spirit'. IOW is '
doctor' a '
descriptive noun' or an '
action verb'? That all depends upon the existence of a definite article...in the English AND, just as importantly, in the Greek.
For Example; "My my, Jessie, that's a pretty bad cut. Good thing
THE DOCTOR is in the office, let's just let him
DOCTOR it up."
Had translators of the scripture followed such basic rules of grammar concerning our 'over exposed and under developed' theology on the hHoly sSpirit, theology would change significantly IMO.
Seems to me Holy Spirit is life animation in accord with God; there is spirit that may not be so godly, and there is Holy Spirit.
I'd agree and I think that when your spirit is 'born again/anew' from above it is "
a new creation" and it actually is regenerated into becoming the
Christ spirit within you (No
s capitalization). 'A spirit' which is joined to the Lord is ONE spirit according to scripture. And I believe it is '
a holy Christ spirit' in you, but not '
the Holy Spirit'. Jesus was not born with the Holy Spirit, he was born with the 'Christ spirit' in Him.
Your quote of JAM 2:26 seems to say the life of a person is the spirit. And it very much seems the breath of God given to Adam is that life or that gift of life. It is NOT that Adam first began walking then - it is that Adam first had life then.
The confusion IMO is when people equate the animating '
life spirit' power, blown in by 'The Spirit' they think it's just air. I don't. Zao life comes from 'air' and Zoe life comes from God's Spirit. That's why '
living soul'/English or '
chay nephesh'/Hebrew means the '
living' and '
breathing creature' was obedient from its 'first breath'.