What is the "harlot city" in the Book of Revelation?

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or maybe you have misunderstood the text?
as a way to make Christ hating Jews seem blameless?
they ARE
You are not responsible for your actions if you don't have the free will to choose.
 
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Mark 12

1And he began to speak to them in parables: A certain man planted a vineyard and made a hedge about it, and dug a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it to husbandmen; and went into a far country.

2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant to receive of the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

3 Who having laid hands on him, beat him, and sent him away empty.

4 And again he sent to them another servant; and him they wounded in the head, and used him reproachfully.

5 And again he sent another, and him they killed: and many others, of whom some they beat, and others they killed.

6 Therefore having yet one son, most dear to him; he also sent him unto them last of all, saying: They will reverence my son.

7 But the husbandmen said one to another: This is the heir; come let us kill him; and the inheritance shall be ours.

8 And laying hold on him, they killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

9 What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy those husbandmen; and will give the vineyard to others.

10 And have you not read this scripture, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner:

11 By the Lord has this been done, and it is wonderful in our eyes.

12 And they sought to lay hands on him, but they feared the people. For they knew that he spoke this parable to them. And leaving him, they went their way.
 
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Free Will is part of the image of God. Now it can be compromised in some ways that limit functionality...like a mental disorder. But that is the distinction between free will and inhibited function. I have not read the thread..what is the context.
 
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Mark 12

1And he began to speak to them in parables: A certain man planted a vineyard and made a hedge about it, and dug a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it to husbandmen; and went into a far country.

2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant to receive of the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

3 Who having laid hands on him, beat him, and sent him away empty.

4 And again he sent to them another servant; and him they wounded in the head, and used him reproachfully.

5 And again he sent another, and him they killed: and many others, of whom some they beat, and others they killed.

6 Therefore having yet one son, most dear to him; he also sent him unto them last of all, saying: They will reverence my son.

7 But the husbandmen said one to another: This is the heir; come let us kill him; and the inheritance shall be ours.

8 And laying hold on him, they killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

9 What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy those husbandmen; and will give the vineyard to others.

10 And have you not read this scripture, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner:

11 By the Lord has this been done, and it is wonderful in our eyes.

12 And they sought to lay hands on him, but they feared the people. For they knew that he spoke this parable to them. And leaving him, they went their way.
We agree that being the oracle of God has been transferred from Israel to the Church. But that's the extent of it.
 
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Right. So in the mean time, all the rest of the Jews, who are beloved for the sake of the Patriarchs, who are still people of the covenant, who still have the promises, the prophets, etc., who still haven't voluntarily rejected Christ, are just not forgiven and therefore damned to hell. That's just self contradictory.
That's a non sequitur. And it's not what he says about it.

St. John Chrysostom makes the point that just as God was merciful to the Gentiles after their disobedience in the Old Testament, he will also be merciful to the Jews. This is about the Jews in the general sense. There is no disagreement between what he says and what St. Paul says.

But an individual Jew can end up in Hell just as an individual Gentile can end up in Hell. Anyone who lives a wicked life and dies refusing to repent of their wickedness will end up in Hell.
 
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no
they have freewill
the idea that God made people without free will is a heresy
I'm sorry, but Scripture says God has blinded them. The choice to receive Christ is withheld from them until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
 
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Free Will is part of the image of God. Now it can be compromised in some ways that limit functionality...like a mental disorder. But that is the distinction between free will and inhibited function. I have not read the thread..what is the context.

Open Heart is saying all kinds of heresies about free will out of a sentimentality for Christ rejecting Jews
Saying they are blameless because they lack free will
 
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Jews have the free will to accept or reject. Caiaphas had the same choice as Nicodemus and that is true today as well for modern people. For instance when in Scripture God "hardens pharaohs heart" He does not remove his free will. God can give us obstacles and tests but He never fully removes free will. Free will is part of the Image of God. It is never removed. That is not a theory, that is Dogma.
 
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