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What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by jamesbond007, Nov 8, 2020.

  1. Estrid

    Estrid Well-Known Member

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    Each creationist is gifted with a different infallible reading of ye good book.
     
  2. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    I don't believe that.

    That would be an amazing coincidence.

    When did that "common era" start?

    Without the birth of Jesus, there wouldn't be a consensus, would there?

    Is it 2021 CE? 6025 CE? 300,000 CE?

    I mean, some use Metric and some use Imperial?

    So I'll ask:

    What year would it be right now, if Jesus had never been born?

    And since I doubt very seriously I'll get an honest straightforward answer, I'd say honest answers would include a variety of answers, based on the event being used for 1 CE.
     
  3. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    I'll withdraw the question, Sub; since you and honesty are strangers.
     
  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    I seriously doubt a valid answer would be recognizable among the more educated here.
     
  5. Speedwell

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  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Then let's see Who breaks the tie, shall we?

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
     
  7. Bradskii

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    The calender is based on the birth of a prophet. That you consider Him to the be the son of God is irrelevant. What practical difference would it make to the date if He was or wasn't? What practical difference would it be if we used Socrates instead. Or Ceasar Augustus?

    To save you typing, I'll answer that myself. None.

    So let's look at more concrete examples. Like gravity. Or the speed of light. Or the Hubble constant. Or the spin of an electron. You decide. Let me know what practical difference there'd be if they were natural v designed?

    Actually, I'm going to save you some more typing yet again. You can get yourself a coffee instead. The answer is 'None'. Which doesn't prove or disprove anything. It makes no difference to what you believe or what I believe.

    In case you hadn't realised, I'm only asking the question to indicate that you want there to be a difference. Hence your need to find something as opposed to giving the quite reasonable answer, which is 'There would be no practical difference at all.'

    You could be an atheist and ask 'What would the world look like if it were designed by God?'
    Or you could be a Christian and ask 'What would the world look like if it were entirely natural'.

    And the answer to both questions would be 'exactly the same'.
     
  8. dlamberth

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    When it comes to what the Earth is telling us, the Earth can not lie.
     
  9. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Thank you. I wish I could make it a challenge question here, but I'm afraid it would get moved.

    Besides, I doubt I'd get very many willing to answer it, as it would demonstrate a division in the classroom.
     
  10. Estrid

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    As if different cultures didn't have different calendars.
     
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  11. dlamberth

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    Whose valid answer should we listen to? There are so many to choose from. I'll go with the Christians and those who espouse a very old changing Earth that shows no sign of a Noah's flood.
     
  12. AV1611VET

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    I'm gonna stop right here, Brad.

    I think I've adequately answered your enigma, but you don't want to admit it.

    So you just say "none."

    Bringing up "the birth of a prophet" after wanting to know how things would be different without God shows desperation.

    No God would mean no prophets. :doh:
     
  13. Mr Laurier

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    Why?
     
  14. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Then why will she run like a coward when her Creator shows up?

    Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

    She's killed a lot of people since her arrival, hasn't she? now she knows it's time to face the consequences, doesn't she?

    1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
     
  15. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    But they are based on various deities or supernatural events, are they not?

    Let's set God and the supernatural aside for the point I'm making and tell me what year it is.

    Can't do it though, can you?

    That's because, in the back of your mind, you know God exists.

    John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    When Gene Roddenberry created the Star Trek series, he didn't want to include any references to deities or religions.

    To his surprise, he found he couldn't do it.
     
  16. Bertrand Russell White

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    Not sure what you mean here?
     
  17. Mr Laurier

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    Then geologists would announce that they had found a global flood layer.
    They would announce that this layer was deposited world wide, even as whole civilizations were experiencing golden ages of progress, culture, art, and law.
    They would declare that the evidence baffles them, since it contradicts all the other evidence.
    And they would agree that logic itself no longer works.

    Your opinion and $1.50 will buy a cup of takeout coffee

    How would Satan use a global flood layer to his advantage?

    Of?

    ???
    So pure nonsense then. Ok
     
  18. AV1611VET

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    You won't hear a thing if you can't accept the validity of the one speaking, will you?

    It wouldn't matter if one person spoke to you, or a hundred, if you can't hear validity.
     
  19. Mr Laurier

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    As long as con-men see gullible prey, there will be prophets.
     
  20. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Ya ... blame the logic.

    It wouldn't occur to them to go back to their drawing boards, would it?

    In other words, it wouldn't occur to them that these "whole civilizations that were experiencing their golden ages of progress" just might be wrong, would it?

    Of course not.

    Not if they can blame it on logic.
     
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