What is the difficulty of getting into heaven?

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

fhansen said:
No, if anyone does you do because you speak partial truth

Answer how we are born again, and answer how you grow to be born again ?

Born again is specifically how we overcome the word, which you are seen as denying.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

I told you hansen, you will not get away with denying the scriptures of Christ, and inserting what you like instead. They will correct you on every word.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

I am telling you fhansen, this is the day you are rebuked, we are born again of the Spirit, they received the Spirit for believing in Chris glorified and risen, then they got power( then were born again of the Spirit) how do you grow in that ?

Born again, is our faith and is how we overcome the world, how do you say we do it ?

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

Fhansen, you told a false way of Peter needing to grow.

Peter, we see, had to receive the promise of the Holy Ghost for believing in Christ fulfilling that promise of rising from the dead.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

Acts 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

fhansen · Aug 5, 2022

servant7777 said:
Answer how we are born again, and answer how you grow to be born again ?

Born again is specifically how we overcome the word, which you are seen as denying.

being born again is all at once, being justified as we enter fellowship with God via faith. At that moment, you're a babe in Christ, fully justified but still with Will. And so we work out our salvation with the justice given us, with grace given us, with the life of God given us. We can still live and act unjustly in other words meaning that we can lose our justified state, our right relationship with God The choice for good over evil can still be compromised in and by us until our love is perfected which is the whole purpose and goal of God for us

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

fhansen said:
being born again is all at once, being justified as we enter fellowship with God via faith. At that moment, you're a babe in Christ, fully justified but still with Will. And so we work out our salvation with the justice given us, with grace given us, with the life of God given us. We can still live and act unjustly in other words meaning that we can lose our justified state, our right relationship with God

Born again of the Spirit is being filled with the Holy Ghost, filled with the love of God.

It is putting on Christ, it is putting on charity the bond of perfectness.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

fhansen said:
being born again is all at once, being justified as we enter fellowship with God via faith. At that moment, you're a babe in Christ, fully justified but still with Will.

Good, keep ignoring the actual testimony of what born of God states, and detour to anything else if you think you can achieve your misrepresentation.

Born of God is when the works of the devil are destroyed away from us, and it manifests the children of God from the children of the devil, the devils children do no righteousness, and Gods children do no unrighteousness.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

fhansen · Aug 5, 2022

And post number 111 gives healthy
[balance to that ideal

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

fhansen said:
At that moment, you're a babe in Christ, fully justified but still with Will.

Paul spoke to them as unto babes in Christ, but they are what he described, carnal and walking as men, not in the Spirit to be carnal.

They are carnally minded( which means they are not Spiritually minded( not born of God in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

fhansen said:
And post number 111 gives healthy
[balance to that ideal

Stop being unstable, stick to the fact you used Peter as an example of needing to grow before He was born of God.

Now you state that we are yet required to grow, and that being born of God did nothing to give us power and might.

Being born of God is Christ in us, putting on Christ, putting on charity, it is not as you talk at all.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

Now take the rebuke whoever you are, or be seen to lie more.

fhansen · Aug 5, 2022

servant7777 said:
Stop being unstable, stick to the fact you used Peter as an example of needing to grow before He was born of God.

Now you state that we are yet required to grow, and that being born of God did nothing to give us power and might.

Being born of God is Christ in us, putting on Christ, putting on charity, it is not as you talk at all.

I stuck with Peter. I said that even with the holy Spirit we can struggle and grow as we work out our salvation. We can do all things through Christ strengthens us but we can also fail to remain in Him. Which means we can also draw mirror to Him Again, the will of man is surprise and God will never completely override it. He wants are participation and we don't become puppets

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

Born of God is to be filled with all the fulness of God, what do you say it is hansen?

Filled with the Spirit all at once as shown...

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Colossians 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

fhansen said:
I stuck with Peter. I said that even with the holy Spirit we can struggle and grow as we work out our salvation. We can do all things through Christ strengthens us but we can also fail to remain in Him. Which means we can also draw mirror to Him Again, the will of man is surprise and God will never completely override it. He wants are participation and we don't become puppets

Missing what you said and think.

You showed Peter as failing, before Peter was born of God.

Then after born of God you claim we are babes, and need to grow.

But that is antichrist against the testimony of Christ of what born of God is, it is all power, all might and all strength through His Spirit filled in us, filled with the fulness of God.

Also testified they do no unrighteousness, they love their brother, they dont have the weakness of satan around them any more, now Christ is in them.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

You see hansen, you are denying a lot, to deny we are delivered from thew power of darkness. ( which is what born of the Spirit is)

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

I know what born of the Spirit is.

If you think you can show better than what I am with the scriptures, do so, or why ignore them?

Soyeong · Aug 5, 2022

servant7777 said:
Jesus fulfilled the law by dying to fulfil the requirement of the curse of the law ( hanged on a tree/ made a curse for us)

The laws righteousness was then fulfilled.

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. Jesus said nothing in Matthew 5 about his death, so you should no insert something else while disregarding the content of what Jesus immediately did next. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that Jesus did on the cross. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so again it refers to something that countless people have done by correctly obeying it.

We fulfil the same way ( it cant be different) to be baptized unto the death of Christ and to be quickened together with Him in the Spirit.

Everything in Romans 6 is in favor of obedience to God's law and against sin in transgression of it.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

Soyeong said:
"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. Jesus said nothing in Matthew 5 about his death, so you should no insert something else while disregarding the content of what Jesus immediately did next. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that Jesus did on the cross. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so again it refers to something that countless people have done by correctly obeying it.

Everything in Romans 6 is in favor of obedience to God's law and against sin in transgression of it.

The will of God is our sanctification, we cant be sanctified by Jesus obeying Torah law. That is why Christ came to give His life a ransom for us. ( to sanctify us once and for all)

Thus knowledge of Christ is not understood by those in the law( as they are flesh and carnal man) it can only be understood in the Spirit( given strictly to us by believing in the rising of Christ from the dead) zero to do with absolutely anything else.

This is the way as testified, the one perfect sacrifice offering is what forgives our sins and lets us know God all at once( without believing this we can know nothing, for ever):

1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

Soyeong said:
"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. Jesus said nothing in Matthew 5 about his death, so you should no insert something else while disregarding the content of what Jesus immediately did next. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that Jesus did on the cross. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so again it refers to something that countless people have done by correctly obeying it.

Everything in Romans 6 is in favor of obedience to God's law and against sin in transgression of it.

Look at your own description, don't ignore it.

You claim Gods will is made known by what Jesus did in the law.

But nobody could understand God, nobody knows the Father, but who the Son reveals Him to.

Nobody is capable of learning about God, they can not learn anything from seeing what Jesus did in Israel.

That is why the entire Gospel is telling the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven, for belief in Heaven. ( this was never told in the law as the law is of the earth and not of Heaven) the law is for earthly man to do his earthliness and to keep his earthly sabbath too.

Jesus gave the parables as they speak of the righteousness He came to fulfil ( His dying for our sins) and He did it.

That is the only way anyone can understand and believe in anything Jesus spoke and did in the Gospel, without it, they cant( they only receive the Spirit through the hearing of faith, and faith is Christ faithfully rising from the dead, it is how we receive the Spirit to believe just that.

THIS IS HOW THE SPIRIT FALLS ON US( hearing and believing Christ died and rose the third day)

Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

servant7777 · Aug 5, 2022

Soyeong you are rebuked, you know what you are doing is to cause doubt for Christians to begin following torah law, it is very bad of you to not stop even though you have nothing to say to me.

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