What is Racism?

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As a South African with first hand experience of growing up into racism, being thoroughly indoctrinated by parents, family, teachers, neighbours and government, and then having met Christ, I can declare without a doubt that racism is a spirit, plain and simple.

The spirits of old behind the gods of the past have simply moved men from worship of idols to philosophies, doctrines and ideologies.
If you are able to find the book, "South Africa the powers behind", I would encourage you to give it a read.
That solves that question of what racism is for me having lived in and through it.
 
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Race is a social construct to group people based on physical traits, culture, ancestry, or all of the above. Again, for political gain. Why did people feel the need to make a social construct to classify each other? Pride. Greed. Sin.

The different races are already classified. No need for pride, greed, or sin.
 
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In most cases, ignorance coupled with hatred. In some other cases, a vehicle through which one might profit. :(

Or feel comfortable, secure, and content living and associating with their own 'race' (you know, like all those other races). :D
 
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Depends on what we mean by "real". Is it real in biology/nature? No. But social constructs aren't necessarily less real simply because they are social constructs: national borders, nations themselves, etc are all social constructs and they are real insofar as there is a general consensus among human beings that they exist for some meaningful purpose.

The concept of race is a social construct, from the perspective of nature there's no such thing as race because human beings aren't divided into categories, that is, there's no such thing as a "white race" or a "black race" in nature. But as a societal construct it exists as an idea; in and of itself it's not necessarily bad. Where it does become problematic is precisely where the subject of racism comes in:

To regard someone who is different from oneself, on the basis of "race" (which includes, but is not limited to, things like skin color, generalized features, place of origin, nationality, and ethnicity). The 19th century WASP Nativists were racist not only against black people, but also Italians and the Irish.

Racism is a set of ideas, beliefs, etc which regards superficial differences categorized as "race" as a means of justifying views of superiority of ones own group over and against all others; and/or regarding other groups (or even just one group in particular) as inferior. Less overt forms of racism include having assumptions about a group on the basis of race, usually stereotypes, whether negative or benign, such as that Asians are good at math, or that black people are more prone to criminal behavior. Racism can exist as a personal ideology, such as someone who believes that being white is better than being anything else; or it can exist more deeply within societal systems--government, economics, education, etc. Systemic racism occurs when a system is so constructed, whether intentionally or not, as to be favorable toward a particular racial demographic over others. Some of the more obvious and egregious examples in recent history of this include Segregation in the United States, and Apartheid in South Africa. But it doesn't necessarily have to be that explicit to still result in oppression of a group--for example when it's been shown that companies prefer "traditional" "white" sounding names like Mike, Jeff, Bob over less "white" sounding names such as Juan or Jamal. Another example can be seen, in the US, in how disproportionate our justice system is, wherein African American and Hispanic Americans are more likely to face heavier sentencing than European Americans--even for the same crimes.

Disproportionate disadvantages on account of skin color, ethnicity, nationality, place of origin (etc) are examples of systemic racism.

Holding to generalizations and stereotypes based on skin color, ethnicity, nationality, place of origin (etc) are examples of less overt racism.

Adhering to racialist ideologies in which one's own "kind" is regarded as superior than others, or regarding other "kinds" of people inferior are examples of more overt racism.

Recognizing these problems, both as individuals and as a society, is necessary if we want to properly address the continued problems we see in regard to these matters.

While recognizing that "race" does not exist in nature, or as a scientific concept, is helpful; that isn't the entirety of the conversation because it remains a very powerful social construct. Yes, it is perhaps better if we could do away with it as a social construct--but doing away with it as a social construct does not mean ignoring the problems we face today, it means tackling them directly and honestly.

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You've painted a broad picture, but failed to explain why only white people are considered racist.
 
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Racism is a type of bias for, or bias against, individuals based on preconceived judgments regarding groups those individuals are perceived to belong to, usually based on physical appearance. As such, xenophilia (bias for) is just as "racist" as xenophobia (bias against).

The only righteous thing to do is to judge individuals on an individual basis, not on perceived group affiliation.

Example of judging individuals based on group affiliation: "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons. This testimony is true." Titus 1:12-13 (ASV)

What of preference without prejudice? Millions just want to live and associate with people who are 'just like' themselves.
 
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What you mean that God fashioned race?

Yes, as the term is broadly understood. God used the term "manner" to describe Esau. "He will be a different manner of people" from Jacob. The term included his appearance and demeanor. That he was "red and hairy" certainly revealed that Jacob was not red and hairy. His descendants became a physically unique people in the earth, as did other different manner of peoples.
 
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Yes, as the term is broadly understood. God used the term "manner" to describe Esau. "He will be a different manner of people" from Jacob. The term included his appearance and demeanor. That he was "red and hairy" certainly revealed that Jacob was not red and hairy. His descendants became a physically unique people in the earth, as did another different manner of peoples.

I guess I will have to look that up and look into that more. But does that still justify creating a system that is contingent on physical appearances only, which is race, as oppose to nationality, or even ethinicity, which considers the culture and location?

I don't think God necessarily created these terms, but it was classified by man. God made references and warnings based on the ethnicity like " avoid them because those people of that region and culture who carry certain customs are bad" as oppose to being based on their "manner" like " avoid them because those people of that skin color are bad". In fact, in Numbers 12, when Miriam was mocking Moses' wife for having her dark skin color, God cursed Miriam by making her really white.

So I don't think God fashioned race, but it's man who further classified people by skin color to mark their societal status, not to describe the beliefs and culture of people in a region. There's no real need to classify people by skin color, at all, other than to easily claim superiority over another group.
 
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I guess I will have to look that up and look into that more. But does that still justify creating a system that is contingent on physical appearances only, which is race, as oppose to nationality, or even ethinicity, which considers the culture and location?

I don't think God necessarily created these terms, but it was classified by man. God made references and warnings based on the ethnicity like " avoid them because those people of that region and culture who carry certain customs are bad" as oppose to being based on their "manner" like " avoid them because those people of that skin color are bad". In fact, in Numbers 12, when Miriam was mocking Moses' wife for having her dark skin color, God cursed Miriam by making her really white.

So I don't think God fashioned race, but it's man who further classified people by skin color to mark their societal status, not to describe the beliefs and culture of people in a region. There's no real need to classify people by skin color, at all, other than to easily claim superiority over another group.

People actually classify themselves, and usually proudly so.
 
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Or feel comfortable, secure, and content living and associating with their own 'race' (you know, like all those other races). :D
That imply someone not comfortable, not secure and not content associating with person because they of different race. I feel much sadness for people caught in such thinking.
 
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I guess I will have to look that up and look into that more. But does that still justify creating a system that is contingent on physical appearances only, which is race, as oppose to nationality, or even ethinicity, which considers the culture and location?

I don't think God necessarily created these terms, but it was classified by man. God made references and warnings based on the ethnicity like " avoid them because those people of that region and culture who carry certain customs are bad" as oppose to being based on their "manner" like " avoid them because those people of that skin color are bad". In fact, in Numbers 12, when Miriam was mocking Moses' wife for having her dark skin color, God cursed Miriam by making her really white.

So I don't think God fashioned race, but it's man who further classified people by skin color to mark their societal status, not to describe the beliefs and culture of people in a region. There's no real need to classify people by skin color, at all, other than to easily claim superiority over another group.

Is very good post. I like example of use eye color instead of skin color as divider. Makes easy to see idiocy of racism.
 
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People actually classify themselves, and usually proudly so.

Babies don't just come out of the womb and classify themselves, there must be already set systems from which they come and are conditioned to that conclusion.

Like I didn't show up to school as a kid thinking that I'm black and I want to participate and associate with things that are pertaining to my race. I was taught that I have a race, that is black, and was conditioned into such already established systems through my environment and reaffirmations of those who are of authority and people that are also seen as part of that race.

Classifications don't come out of thin air. And it's not an innate thing. But we are taught as if it is for the sake of surviving a man-made system, and we become so engrain and conditioned to it, that we even celebrate it as if this identity is pure and true without question. We feel a threat to those who question it.We would even risk our lives sometimes if it meant defending it. It makes it also easy to mark those who are not "like us", and authorities can easily capitalize on such thinking based on whatever agenda they have.

Phew! Such power it has!!!!

The power in that, out of something that is not even essential to things of the spirit and is tied to our physical nature that is temporary, cannot be of God.
 
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It's been my experience in the Word that God only makes a point of classifying or mentioning distinctive groups of people or individuals for the following reasons;

1) Those who believe in Him and those who do not.
2) To point out nations that are idolatrous.
3) To mention those coming into or under prophetic judgement.
4) To show God's incredible kindness to those who are not covenant people.
5) To make His covenant people jealous.

And so on and on goes the list, but nowhere does God single out a group based on their race.
What is mentioned though, is that the heads of certain lineages of individuals are cursed.

God cursed Adam and thus the entire world was judged and bore the brunt of that judgement.
Now the bible says that the curse Noah pronounced against his son Ham was pretty much the same thing and so all of Ham's descendants bore and still bare the brunt of his curse to this day.
Ham's descendants many claim, are the Black or African people of our world and so they're all under the Noahic curse.
I have not studied this out (not planning to either), to make any kind of judgement on this issue.
But having said that, if it so then it's so and if it isn't then it isn't.
The fact that Ham's descendants could have been the black races of the earth is not the issue here.
God is no racist, Ham was cursed and whoever came from his line would be cursed no matter their race or color.
God is no respecter of persons says the N.T and I believe it and that's how I order my affairs in this life.
 
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Or feel comfortable, secure, and content living and associating with their own 'race' (you know, like all those other races). :D
I have felt some measure of content living and associating with my race (the human race), but on the whole I have felt more comfortable and secure living and associating with dogs.
 
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It's become something of a catch-all term that is used to describe all kinds of behavior and ideology. And it's one of the most serious charges that can be leveled against an individual in today's climate.

But is it a meaningful term?

Please offer a definition for "racism".

Thinking an individual is better or worse than you simply because of their skin pigmentation, and hating them for that. Anyone can be racist, regardless of their own social status or wealth. Those who claim that only white people of privilege can be racist are some of the biggest racists themselves.
 
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That imply someone not comfortable, not secure and not content associating with person because they of different race. I feel much sadness for people caught in such thinking.

I'm usually comfortable with a person of another race, but not with a large group or community of another race. Big difference.
 
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