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What is denomination???

Discussion in 'Friendship Court' started by Hishandmaiden, Jan 27, 2002.

  1. Hishandmaiden

    Hishandmaiden The Humble Servant

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    Pardon me, I am still new to Christ, and I heard denomination somewhere. Could someone tell me what is denomination, how many denominations are there and why are there denomination?
    I will also appreciate it if you will refer me to some websites or books on that! Thank!
     
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  2. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    Denomination is a catagory of the different types of local churches out there. Baptist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Lutheran, are all "denominations." There are hundreds of denominations out there and the reasons for so many are numerable. Different people have differing ideas as to how a church body should function in terms of the worship service, views on eschatology (study of the end times), views on baptism, etc. I am not sure of a good web site or book on this subject but I will let you know if I find one.

    God Bless
     
  3. Caedmon

    Caedmon kawaii Supporter

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    jtc, you're way out of line with this post....
    Christians don't sin? :confused:
    Why does Paul say that he does the things he hates?
    BTW, you need to careful when you slander all the denominations of the world. And I suggest that you at least glance through some Bible translation in addition to the KJV, such as NASB, ESV, or NKJV.

    God bless
     
  4. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    I agee HumbleJoe.
    This forum is starting to be infiltrated with false teachings from some of these people. It's unbelievable how biblically illiterate people have become this century.

    God Bless
     
  5. jtc

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    read romans 7 what is the first thing paul says for i speak to them that know th law and in verse 14 he reiterates he is refferring to some one under the law and thats why he says in verse 24 who will save him from this condition. he gives the answer that jesus christ can save him . if he were saying this is his present tense he would be tottally contradicting chapters 6 and 8. read romans 6:1 shall we continue in sin that grace may abound god forbid that is some very strong language. read the whole chapter. we are dead to sin if we did die to ourselves and raised from the dead in christ. read chapter 8 concerning romans 7:14.It says in verses 8:6-14 It says if you are carnal you can not please god and you are his enemy. so is paul contradicting himself because in 7:14 he says he is carnal. no he is not because he started off in verse 1 saying i speak to them that know the law. Gods word never contradicts itself. It is kind of wierd that peter said in 2nd peter 3:15-17 that pauls writing were kind of hard to understand and he said people who were unstable and unlearned would twist them as well as other scriptures to thier own destruction. Take alook at romans 3:4-8 Paul says does our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God. what shall we say is God unrighteous who taketh vengence. God forbid.how shall GOD judge the world. That is what i like to ask all of these church goers. how will god judge the world if every one is a sinner. will he let some go to heaven and some go to hell. when jesus returns he is not going to give us a new nature. we will only get a new body. so if you have not put off that old man like paul talks about and crucified the flesh and killed it and buried it in baptism you will not make it to heaven. romans 6:4-6) once your saved the flesh is dead and you dont live according to flesh but according to the spirit if you have the spirit.if you live after the flesh you will surely die. romans 8:8-13
     
  6. Caedmon

    Caedmon kawaii Supporter

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    I understand what you're getting at, but you err to a degree in stating that a man will never commit another single sin again after his conversion.

    Paul says "I am", not "I was", the "chief" of sinners. Just because you are reborn does not mean that you will never make another mistake again. Being reborn means that sin no longer has the authority over you that it once had. Now don't misunderstand me; if a man continues in his sins, and if he is the same type of person after his supposed "conversion" as he was before, then he most likely did not experience true conversion.
    And what about alcoholics and drug addicts? Are you saying that they are not reborn until they completely cease their addiction?

    Christians have victory over sin and death in the Person of Jesus Christ if He is Savior and Lord of that person's life. However, the sinful flesh still remains with the soul, tempting it to sin, while you remain here, alive on Earth.

    Furthermore, if what you say is true, then there is never a need for a Christian to ever ask forgiveness again after conversion. Why, then, is it that Jesus Christ outlines the manner in which we are to pray(the Lord's Prayer), including the statement "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"? Do you believe that this is a one-time thing?

    Why should we work out our salvation with "fear and trembling"? Why should we "strive daily to make sure our election"?

    How did Peter, a dedicated apostle to Jesus Christ, deny Christ three times??? Peter lied, and not just that, but denied Christ before men! Was Peter a Christian before that time, before Christ came to Him after His Resurrection?

    BTW, it would help a lot if you would use some punctuation and line spacing in your posts, jtc....
     
  7. jtc

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    WHOSOEVER ABIDETH IN HIM SINNETH NOT. 1STJOHN3:5
    WHOSOEVER SINNETH HATH NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWN HIM. ^
    WHOSOEVER SINNETH IS OF THE DEVIL.1STJOHN3:8 WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN 1STJOHN3:9 IN LUKE 13:3 JESUS WAS ASKING DO YOU THINK THOSE SINNERS WERE WORSE SINNERS THAN OTHERS ONES. HE SAID NO BUT UNLESS YOU REPENT YOU WILL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH. WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH A SIN IS A SERVENT OF SIN.JOHN8:34 A LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVENETH THE WHOLE LUMP. PAUL SAID THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES. JOHN1:12 YOU HAVE THE POWER TO BECOME A SON OF GOD AND A SON OF GOD DOES NOT SIN. WITH PETER HE DENIED 3 TIME BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE HOLY GHOST BECAUSE IT WAS NOT GIVEN UNTIL THE DAY OF PENTACOST. JESUS EVEN TOLD PETER THAT HE HAD NOT BEEN CONVERTED IN LUKE 22:32. HE SAID ONCE YOU ARE CONVERTED STRENGTHEN THY BRETHREN. PAUL WAS THE CHIEF OF SINNERS BEFORE HE GOT SAVED. LOOK AT THE VERSES RIGHT BEFORE HE SAID THAT. HE TELLS ABOUT HOW HE BLASPHEMED JESUS'S NAME AND PERSECUTED AND KILLED THE CHRISTAINS BEFORE HE WAS SAVED. LIKE I SAID IT IS WIERD THAT THE BIBLE HAD TO INCLUDE THOSE VERSES IN 2ND PETER 3:15-17 ABOUT PAULS WRITINGS TO BE CONFUSING TO THE UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD TWIST THEM TO THIER OWN DESTRUCTION. JESUS CAME TO SAVE US FROM OUR SINS AND TAKE THEM AWAY. IF YOU ARE BORN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT YOU ARE JUST LIKE JESUS. IF GOD BE WITH US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US. THE DEVIL IS NOT MORE POWERFUL THAN GOD THAT IS WHY YOU DONT SIN AFTER YOU GET SAVED. HE EVEN PROMISES THIS IN 1ST COR 10:13AND 2ND PET 2:9 AS WELL AS OTHER VERSES JESUS IS THE GOOD SHEPERD. HE WOULD NOT LET THE DEVIL DESTROY HIS FLOCK. IN 1ST PETER HE SAYS WE ARE A HOLY NATION, A PECULLIAL PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY THE WORLD DOES NOT KNOW THE REAL. IT RECOGNIZES ALL THE COUNTERFEITS. THERE ARE OVER 2500 DIFFERENT COUNTERFEITS TODAY. IN TITUS 2:14 HE SAID HE WOULD PURIFY UNTO HIMSELF A PECULLIAR PEOPLE ZEALOUS OF GOOD WORKS. READ 2ND TIM CHAPTER 3. DESCRIBES THE WORLD TODAY PERFECTLY. LOOK AT VERSE 5 AND 7 THEY HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS BUT DENY THE POWER. AND EVER LEARNING BUT NEVER ABLE TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. IN THE SAME CHAPTER VERSE 12 IT SAYS ALL THAT WILL GODLY WILL SUFFER PERSECUTION. LIVING GODLY IS NOT SINNING. YOU NOTICE IT SAYS THEY HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS BUT DENY THE POWER. THEY DENY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST WHICH IS ALSO GOD . THEY SAY THE DEVIL IS MORE POWERFUL THEN GOD AND THAT IS WHY THEY SIN. IN 2NDTIMOTHY CHAPTER 4:3 IT TALKS ABOUT THE END TIMES WHEN PEOPLE WONT ENDUR SOUND DOCTRINE BUT WILL HEAP TO THEMSELVES TEACHERS. LOOK AT RELIGION OVER 2500 DIFFERENT FORMS OF IT. WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE. JESUS SAID THE SUN AN MOON WOULD BE DARKENED AT THE END . THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE WHO GO TO CHURCH ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THE PHARISEES. THEY GO TO CHURCH,PRAY,GIVE MONEY,MAKE PROSOLYTES AND THEY LIVE IN THIER SINS. JESUS SAID IF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS DOES NOT EXCEED THIER RIGHTEOUNESS YOU WONT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN. WHAT IS SIN 1ST JOHN 3:4 SAYS SIN IS THE TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW. THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. A COUPLE OF VERSES THAT BACK THAT UP IN CASE THIER IS DOUBT ARE JAMES 2:10--11 ROMANS 2:20-24 13:8-10 MARK 10:17-21 JUST TO NAME A FEW. READ THE COMMANDMENTS . DID GOD MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP THEM. IN ROMANS 8 3-4 IT SAYS JESUS CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH SO WE COULD FUFILL THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW. YOU CAN ONLY FULFILL THE LAW IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT FOUNDATION. IF YOU KEEP FALLING INTO SIN YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT FOUNDATION. ACTS 2:38 AND HEBREWS 6:2. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN RECIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS BY AN APOSTLE WHO IS SENT FROM GOD.ACTS 8:18.1ST CORIN 12:27 AND EPH 4:11 TELL US THAT HE WILL GIVE THE CHURCH APOSTLES AND THE CHURCH IS NOT A BUILDING OR AN ORGANIZATION OF MAN. JESUS SAID HE WOULD BUILD THE CHURCH AND HE WOULD BE THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH. KNOWBODY IN THE BIBLE EVER BUILT A BUILDING OR TRIED TO MAKE AN ORGANIZATION.
     
  8. Caedmon

    Caedmon kawaii Supporter

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    You say that a man will never sin again after he is saved. This is an extremist take on Perseverance of the Saints. Perseverance of the Saints, more commonly refered to as "eternal assurance" states that a saved person will not fall back into continual sin. This is a doctrine straight out of Reformed theology; it is a Calvinistic concept.
    This link will help you to gain a better understanding of the concept:
    TULIP

    I hope this is helpful. God Bless....
     
  9. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    JTC,

    You argue like a cultist. You avoid the clear scriptures people show you and quote scripture after scripture to try and prove your point.
    You said: "read romans 7 what is the first thing paul says for i speak to them that know th law and in verse 14 he reiterates he is refferring to some one under the law and thats why he says in verse 24 who will save him from this condition. he gives the answer that jesus christ can save him . if he were saying this is his present tense he would be tottally contradicting chapters 6 and 8."

    Since you mentioned Rom. 7:24 why don't you finish the verse and read verse 25 which says: "So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin."
    Paul clearly understood that he still sinned and hated that fact because it kept him from serving God in the way he desired.
    Do you think you are free from sin now? Do you ever sin?
    It is unbelievable that people could be so arrogant as to say that they never sin again once they are saved despite the fact that scripture clearly says otherwise.

    God Bless
     
  10. Josh

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    about the first post...

    I am non-denominational (I do go to a Baptist church), because I don't want to identify myself with any set of beliefs besides what is in the Bible. The Bible is all we have to base our faith on, and it is important to find a church that preaches Bible-based sermons, and does not make stuff up.
     
  11. jtc

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    ALL I CAN SAY IS IF JESUS DID NOT SET YOU FREE FROM YOUR SINS YOU HAVE NOT OBEYED HIM. WHOEVER SINNETH IS OF THE DEVIL , FOR THIS PURPOS THE SON OF GOD WAS MANIFESTED TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL. 1ST JOHN 3:8 YOU CANT SAY THAT DOES NOT MEAN WHAT IT SAYS. WHAT ABOUT JOHN 8:34 WHOSOEVER COMMITETH A SIN IS A SERVENT OF SIN. WHAT ABOUT A GOOD TREE DOES NOT BEAR BAD FRUIT AND WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN. PEOPLE SAY IT MEANS PRACTICE IT. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAFT TO KILL BEFORE I AM A KILLER AND HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO COMMIT ADULTERY BEFORE I AM AN ADULTER. THAT IS THE DEVILS DOCTRINE. READ ROMANS 2 WHAT ABOUT 1ST CORIN 6:1 WILL GOD LET A SINNER JUDGE ANOTHER ONE. READ ROMANS 2 FOR YOUR ANSWER. YOU LOVE YOUR SINS AND THATS WHY YOU WILL DIE IN THEM. IF YOU DID NOT LIKE A CERTAIN FOOD I GUARANTEE YOU WOULD NOT GO AND EAT IT. YOUR BODY CANT DO ANYTHING ON ITS OWN. YOU CHOOSE NOT TO EAT THAT FOOD AND YOU CHOOSE TO SIN. THEREIS NO DIFFERANCE YOU HAVE A FREE WILL TO DO WHAT YOU WANT. LIKE PAUL SAID IN ROMANS 6 :15 YOU YEILD YOURSELVES SERVANTS TO WHOM YOU OBEY WHETHER TO SIN THAT LEADS TO DEATH OR RIGHTEOUSNESS TO LIFE. HEBREWS 6:4 10:26 AND THE END OF 2ND PET CHAPTER SAY IF YOU FALL BACK INTO SIN AFTER YOUR SAVED YOU HAVE NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS. EVERY ONE HAS QUESTIONS ON WHO 1ST JOHN WAS WRITTEN TO. HE IS GOING BACK AND FOURTH. THAT IS WHY HE WILL START OUT SAYING I AM WRITING TO YOU LITTLE CHILDREN AND I AM WRITING TO YOU YOUNG MEN. IN VERSE 1:3 HE SAYS I AM WRITING SO THAT YOU MAY ALSO HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH US. AND IN 2:2 IT SAYS IF ANYMAN SINS IT DOES NOT SAY IF YOU SIN OR IF ANY SAINT SINS. READ THE ENDOF CHAPTER 5 HE REITERATES THIS POINT. HE SAYS IF ANY MAN SEES HIS BROTHER SIN A SIN NOT UNTO DEATH.---- WE KNOW WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN. YOU SEE HE SAYS IF ANY MAN, LIKE HE DID IN CHAPTER 2. HE DID NOT SAY IF ANY SAINT OR CHRISTAIN OR BROTHER IN CHRIST. HE SAID IF ANY MAN. LOOK AT THE REST OF THE BOOKS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT FROM ROMANS TO 2ND PETER AND EVEN 2ND AND 3RD JOHN. THEY ALL START OUT BY SAYING THEY ARE TO SAINTS AND THE ELECT. IF YOU WERE TO SAY ALL OF 1ST JOHN WAS WRITTEN TO BELIEVERS THE BIBLE WOULD CONTRADICT ITSELF AND BE INVALID. IT SAYS IF WE WALK IN DARKNESS(SIN) WE LIE IF WE SAY WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM.AND IF WE DONT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS WE LIE IF WE SAY WE KOW HIM. AND WHOSOEVER ABIDETH IN HIM SINNETH NO ,WHOSOEVER SINNETH HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWN HIM. THE REASON HE SAID IF ANYMAN SINS IS BECAUSE JESUS DIED FOR THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE. YOU KNOW HOW THE JEWS WERE. THEY STUCK TO THEMSELVES AND THEY DID NOT ASSOCIATE WITH THE GENTILES. THAT IS WHY JESUS STRESSED ON LOVING ONE ANOTHER AND TO JUDGE NOT ACCORDING TO APPEARANCE BUT JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. THE LORD HAD TO REVEAL THIS TO PETER IN A DREAM IN ACTS CHAPTER 8 OR 9 I BELIEVE. JOHN BASICLY GAVE THE FIRST STEPS OF SALVATION IN 1:8-10. IF ANYONE SAYS THAT HE HAS NO SIN HE IS A LIAR. VERSE 9 IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS HE IS WILL FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. IF YOU ARE CLEANSED FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUNESS YOU WONT SIN ANYMORE BECAUSE THE LORD PROMISES TO CLEANSE US AND JESUS SAID HE WOULD MAKE YOU FREE JOHN8:27-36. YOU ARE NOT CLEANSED FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS AND JESUS HAS NOT MADE YOU FREE IF YOU ARE STILL IN BONDAGE TO THE DEVIL. LATER ON IN CHAPTER 5 HE GIVES THE OTHER PARTS OF SALVATION WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE BLOOD THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT AGREEING ON EARTH. IF EVERYONE IS SO CONVINCED THAT ONCE YOUR SAVED YOU STILL SIN PLEASE SHOW ME A VERSE THAT CAN CLEARLY WITHOUT A DOUBT LIKE THE VERSES IN1ST JOHN 3:5-9 AND ALL OF THE OTHER VERSES THAT I HAVE POINTED OUT IN THE PAST LITTLE EXCERPTS I HAVE WRITTEN. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR DEFINITION OF SIN IS. SIN SEPERATES YOU FROM GOD. SIN IS THE BREAKING OF THE TEN COMMANDMENT. 1ST JOHN 3:4,JAMES 2:10-- , ROMANS 2:18--, ROMANS 13:8--,MARK 10:17--AND I DONT KNOW THE EXACT VERSE ITHINK IT IS SOMWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF ROMANS 7 WHEN PAUL SAYS I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN SIN AND LUST EXCEPT THE LAW SAID THOU SHALL NOT COVET OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT NATURE. LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR COMMENTS.
     
  12. Josh

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    your posts would be much easier to read if you used paragraphs and didn't do all caps :D
     
  13. SenseiPiccolo

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    JTC...
    you should not take God's word out of context...
    that too is a sin...
    ^_^
     
  14. jtc

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    IF YOU ARE SOMETIMES GOOD AND SOMETIMES YOU SIN YOU ARE IN BETWEEN. YOU ARE NOT HOT OR COLD. YOU ARE LUKE WARM.REVELATIONS 3:16 TELLS WHAT JESUS WILL DO TO THESE PEOPLE. ALSO READ MATH 7:21 AND LUKE 13:26
     
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