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Featured What is and is not a sin... The correct view of sin...?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Neogaia777

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    What is and is not a sin... The correct view of sin...?

    Some say just about everything is a sin, some say some things are under some circumstances and not in others, then some others say "not everything we think is a sin, is a sin", and I would like those ones to explain further...? They seem to have a narrower view of sin, while having to broad a view of sin, makes everything a sin...

    Who's right...?

    Comments...?

    God Bless!
     
  2. .Mikha'el.

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    If something is expressly forbidden in Scripture, and we do it, it is sin. If something is not discussed, it is still reasonable to take Scriptural principles and judge it a sin or not. However, we as believers must be willing to understand that such matters strictly of conscience that require interpretation are going to be understood differently by others, and we must respect those differences.
     
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  3. 1stcenturylady

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    22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another. 1 John 3:22-23.

    First John is a very eye opening epistle that should give anyone pause. Especially chapter 3. For instance, John says true Christians do not commit sin, in fact they cannot sin. However, in light of all Scripture, we know that this is talking about willful sin. Sins you know are not righteous, but you willfully do them anyway. That, in essence is rebellion against God, showing no fear of the Lord.

    Romans 14 shows us that if you believe something to be a sin, even though it is not a sin, it IS a sin to you and thus to God. On the other hand, there are things that are known to be sin, but you honestly don't realize it is unlawful, and you commit that sin out of ignorance. I have found that God doesn't break fellowship with you under those circumstances, but will bring you into all truth and enlighten you that what you thought was lawful, was, in fact, a sin. As you become more mature in the Lord, you will be held to higher and higher standards to keep perfecting you. It has to do with going against your own conscience that indwells the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't overwhelm you with all knowledge, but teaches you step by step. He starts the work, and will finish it, just not all on the first day.

    If you have the Holy Spirit, and I mean really have been given power over sin and you experienced a life changing baptism of the Holy Spirit, and with the quenching fire that burns away the chaff, and you can honestly go to bed with a clear conscience, you are on the right path. That day God is not imputing any sin to your name. But He will chastise you if you have committed known sin, and your conscience will not be calm until you turn away from that sin and repent. Then the peace of God will come over you giving you supernatural strength to never return to that sin again. Again the chaff is burned up. From glory to glory.
     
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  4. Lilly54

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    sin is anything that separates us from God.
    It's when you know what you are doing is wrong, but you do it anyway. When you disregard that quiet voice in your head. That is the voice many think is our conscience, but in fact is God.
    We all know what is right and wrong. It's our choice to choose. We are programmed to choose wrongly a lot of the time. That's where the sacrifice of Jesus is vital. He paid for our sins. Upon confessing and giving our life to Christ, we are freed. What joy, what a gift!
    Humility plays an enormous part in being Christian. I know I am deeply flawed, yet so loved. I can't get over the wonder of it all.
    I used to be blind, deaf and ignorant, felt worthless but I knew not why. I'm still those things but now I know there is a huge gift, of forgiveness. Saying thank you to Jesus for an eternity will not be enough but I look forward to doing it. Nothing is better!
     
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  5. Neogaia777

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    I'm like Solomon sometimes, and think it is all "vanity" and striving after the wind, or looking for the end of a rainbow... But if it is all vain, it is all the pride of life, it is wrong, and sin, and even evil and wicked...

    Sometimes I see a lot of evil/wicked around me, that I wonder if is just my paranoia, but i feel like I am highly and maybe even overly sensitive and aware of evil, but I may be also seeing something that is not there maybe...?

    I'm wondering if my view of evil or wickedness is too broad...?

    God Bless!
     
  6. discipler7

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    Adam and Eve committed the Original Sin or Evil-deed or Law-breaking which resulted in serious evil consequences, especially spiritual death and being sent to hell when they die = separation from God of heaven.(GENESIS.3:14-19, ROMANS.5:12)

    Thereafter, all humans were born with evil/sinful/satanic hearts and minds.(GENESIS.6:5, JOHN.8:44, MATTHEW.16:23 & 23:27, MARK.7:21, 1JOHN.3:8) All fallen humans often involuntarily sin-in-thoughts, eg immoral lust, greed, selfishness, hate, anger, jealousy, fears, doubts, pride, etc. Sin-in-thoughts may bear fruit into voluntary sin-in-deeds, eg adultery, rape, murder, stealing, lying/cheating, idolatry, blasphemy, etc.(eg MATTHEW.5:27-30 & 7:15-23)

    In 1500BC, God gave Moses and the Jews His Law, in order to curb their inborn tendency to commit sins/evil-deeds = save them from a sad and short life on earth.(DEUT.28:15).

    In 0BC, God gave the apostles and Jews His Son, in order to make atonement for Adam's Original Sin = save them from hell when they die.(LEV.17:11, HEBREWS.9:22, JOHN.3:16)
     
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  7. Tolworth John

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    The ten commandments tell us what sin is, as interpreted by Jesus in the sermon on the mount.

    If it helps there is the instruction, What ever pure, what ever is right etc think on these things, will help to understan what should be avoided.
     
  8. grasping the after wind

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    Sin is not loving God and/or not loving your neighbor as yourself.
     
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  9. Neogaia777

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    Yes and be involved in and occupied with those pure things, would be a good place to start, correct? Instead of focusing on law so much...?
     
  10. Neogaia777

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    Are we supposed to love God more than we love ourselves, or others...?
     
  11. grasping the after wind

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    Not that I know of. Jesus never said that love was finite. We are to love God with all our hearts and minds and souls just as we are supposed to love our neighbors or, to be precise , in exactly the same way as we inherently already love ourselves. If one could accomplish that one would be sinless.
     
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  12. Neogaia777

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    When does, or how does that "start" most often, do you think?

    Does it start with loving God...? Loving others...? Certainly it does not start with yourself at least...?

    What does the process of this "love growth" look like...?, What are it's "stages" (so to speak) to growing into this maturity, this understanding of love that transforms you to a place, where Love and the Law, will meet, basically...?
     
  13. Tolworth John

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    If you want to know what 'sin' is then you Must start with Gods Law. Any other approach is to ignore what God has clearly said.
     
  14. grasping the after wind

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    Good questions that I am not even slightly qualified to answer. I have not gotten close to that stage of maturity where love meets law. I only know of Jesus talking about such things through the testimony of others long since gone from the world. One clue I have on the subject is a phrase I have heard, that phrase being, that we are on;y able to love at all because God first loved us. So I suppose that would mean a human being is not capable of loving another being unless one has experienced being loved by another being first and since God has always loved us we only need to acknowledge that to be able to love. Now , moving from being able to love to loving all as one loves oneself is a step I am not yet capable of.
     
  15. grasping the after wind

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    Isn't that pretty much what I said?

    Matt 22:37-40

    36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
     
  16. Neogaia777

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    Is there a situation where a man is guilty under the Law, but the sin is not charged against him...?
     
  17. Tolworth John

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    Your reply to me implies that we should not look at the 10 commandments.
     
  18. grasping the after wind

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    That is not an implication of mine but an erroneous inference by you. You are free to look at the Ten Commandments as much and as often as you like. And behaving in opposition to any of them is surely sin. Don't however, think the whole Law is only the Ten. The Ten are included in the Law but the Two encompass it completely. The Ten are actually so much easier to comply with than the Two that it is like comparing a slow walk to the corner of the block to a marathon. The Ten doesn't ask me to do all that much but the Two requires me to act constantly in ways I would rather just not bother with. Let me provide context.

    Mark 10: 17-27

    17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20 And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.” 21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But at these words a]">[a]he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.
     
  19. Neogaia777

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    I see the "commandments" as you mean them, as both a beginning and end, with Grace and Mercy and Love and Christ in-between...
     
  20. Neogaia777

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    What are the commands of God, but the "spirit" of them...?
     
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