What is a Man? A Response to Gillette...

[Hazelelponi]

This commercial by Egard Watches is in answer to the feminist #metoo Gillette commercial that, in my opinion, promotes the message that most men are faulty in Gillettes opinion and thus need improvement.

I have said in another thread in regards the modern trend to demonize men through the false narrative of "toxic masculinity":

Again, there is no such thing as "toxic" masculinity. There is no maleness that taken to an extreme is dangerous.

There is a certain danger in the extremely insecure, as they see themselves as not possessing various (potentially desirous) traits, and therefore use other means of masquerading as someone in possession of them.

Strength, for instance, is a positive trait which can be either emotional or physical. Someone who is insecure and doesn't see themselves as being in possession of strength will sometimes try to display strength by beating up someone weaker. However, this isn't a display of strength at all, its a display of massive insecurity.

It's the insecurity which is dangerous and not "strength". They feel powerless in their insecurity, so they seek instances to demonstrate power - not strength. It's nothing to do with masculinity at all.

The man secure in his strength has no need to display anything as he is confident in what he has possession of. It will then rear it's head during times it's needed; when someone weaker needs protecting, etc.

Berating the insecure is far from likely to help their insecurity any, truly that's more like feeding the beast.

Berating all men because they are men, isn't helpful either, that just plays into the hands of a bunch of insecure women who are currently making a power play.

I'm not putting my money toward something that goes against what I know and believe.

I hold to that thought process, there is nothing inherently "toxic" about either masculinity nor femininity - God created us male and female and called it good. We are His children, and He called His creation good.

Fallen mankind in a fallen world is faulty, but there is nothing about berating people that will fix the falleness of mankind. Such a thing becomes harmful to our society when your pitting male against female etc.

If we want people to be the best version of themselves provide a good Christian example. Be that Child of God whom people want to touch the hem of your garments because you are such an example of God. Share the message of salvation with the lost

I like the commercial in answer to Gillette, it's positive. I'd far rather join with something positive, than divisive negativity.

I have a husband, son, and grandsons and I refuse to call any of them toxic for being men. It's called verbal abuse and I won't engage.

 

[Not David]

This commercial by Egard Watches is in answer to the feminist #metoo Gillette commercial that, in my opinion, promotes the message that most men are faulty in Gillettes opinion and thus need improvement.

I have said in another thread in regards the modern trend to demonize men through the false narrative of "toxic masculinity":

Again, there is no such thing as "toxic" masculinity. There is no maleness that taken to an extreme is dangerous.

There is a certain danger in the extremely insecure, as they see themselves as not possessing various (potentially desirous) traits, and therefore use other means of masquerading as someone in possession of them.

Strength, for instance, is a positive trait which can be either emotional or physical. Someone who is insecure and doesn't see themselves as being in possession of strength will sometimes try to display strength by beating up someone weaker. However, this isn't a display of strength at all, its a display of massive insecurity.

It's the insecurity which is dangerous and not "strength". They feel powerless in their insecurity, so they seek instances to demonstrate power - not strength. It's nothing to do with masculinity at all.

The man secure in his strength has no need to display anything as he is confident in what he has possession of. It will then rear it's head during times it's needed; when someone weaker needs protecting, etc.

Berating the insecure is far from likely to help their insecurity any, truly that's more like feeding the beast.

Berating all men because they are men, isn't helpful either, that just plays into the hands of a bunch of insecure women who are currently making a power play.

I'm not putting my money toward something that goes against what I know and believe.

I hold to that thought process, there is nothing inherently "toxic" about either masculinity nor femininity - God created us male and female and called it good. We are His children, and He called His creation good.

Fallen mankind in a fallen world is faulty, but there is nothing about berating people that will fix the falleness of mankind. Such a thing becomes harmful to our society when your pitting male against female etc.

If we want people to be the best version of themselves provide a good Christian example. Be that Child of God whom people want to touch the hem of your garments because you are such an example of God. Share the message of salvation with the lost

I like the commercial in answer to Gillette, it's positive. I'd far rather join with something positive, than divisive negativity.

I have a husband, son, and grandsons and I refuse to call any of them toxic for being men. It's called verbal abuse and I won't engage.

Thanks, I appreciate when women are allies.

 

[redleghunter]

Does this mean I don’t have to shave my chest?

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Does this mean I don’t have to shave my chest?

So I'm trying to resist the mental image of a hairy bodybuilder and it's not working out so well. Like Duck Dynasty plus body building.

 

[St_Worm2]

Does this mean I don’t have to shave my chest?

Don't do it man (stop shaving your chest, that is) You know that your kids and friends will miss your chest art at the pool club this summer if you do!!

 

[tulc]

I'm confused...in what way does the ad in the OP not completely agree what the Gillette ad is saying?
tulc(seriously)

 

[redleghunter]

Don't do it man (stop shaving your chest, that is) You know that your kids and friends will miss your chest art at the pool club this summer if you do!!

Yikes!

 

[bèlla]

Thank you for posting this. Our current climate is eager to destroy the sanctity of God's creation. And like you I don't adhere to the suggestion of "toxic masculinity" or femininity. These are broken people doing awful things in a wretched world. Nonetheless, we are fearfully and wonderfully made because He said so.

It's important that we refute their attempts to redefine our divinity. We are being pressured within and without but we must not relent. I commend your positive outlook. It's so refreshing to hear a woman speak this way!

 

[Gigimo]

Does this mean I don’t have to shave my chest?

Back maybe, chest no.

 

[FireDragon76]

What's the point of this video? Patriarchy is no free lunch? Nobody argued otherwise.

 

[Yarddog]

This commercial by Egard Watches is in answer to the feminist #metoo Gillette commercial that, in my opinion, promotes the message that most men are faulty in Gillettes opinion and thus need improvement.

I have said in another thread in regards the modern trend to demonize men through the false narrative of "toxic masculinity":

Again, there is no such thing as "toxic" masculinity. There is no maleness that taken to an extreme is dangerous.

There is a certain danger in the extremely insecure, as they see themselves as not possessing various (potentially desirous) traits, and therefore use other means of masquerading as someone in possession of them.

Strength, for instance, is a positive trait which can be either emotional or physical. Someone who is insecure and doesn't see themselves as being in possession of strength will sometimes try to display strength by beating up someone weaker. However, this isn't a display of strength at all, its a display of massive insecurity.

It's the insecurity which is dangerous and not "strength". They feel powerless in their insecurity, so they seek instances to demonstrate power - not strength. It's nothing to do with masculinity at all.

The man secure in his strength has no need to display anything as he is confident in what he has possession of. It will then rear it's head during times it's needed; when someone weaker needs protecting, etc.

Berating the insecure is far from likely to help their insecurity any, truly that's more like feeding the beast.

Berating all men because they are men, isn't helpful either, that just plays into the hands of a bunch of insecure women who are currently making a power play.

I'm not putting my money toward something that goes against what I know and believe.

I hold to that thought process, there is nothing inherently "toxic" about either masculinity nor femininity - God created us male and female and called it good. We are His children, and He called His creation good.

Fallen mankind in a fallen world is faulty, but there is nothing about berating people that will fix the falleness of mankind. Such a thing becomes harmful to our society when your pitting male against female etc.

If we want people to be the best version of themselves provide a good Christian example. Be that Child of God whom people want to touch the hem of your garments because you are such an example of God. Share the message of salvation with the lost

I like the commercial in answer to Gillette, it's positive. I'd far rather join with something positive, than divisive negativity.

I have a husband, son, and grandsons and I refuse to call any of them toxic for being men. It's called verbal abuse and I won't engage.

Both commercials seem to be equally over the top.

 

[paul1149]

This commercial by Egard Watches is in answer to the feminist #metoo Gillette commercial that, in my opinion, promotes the message that most men are faulty in Gillettes opinion and thus need improvement.

That was a wonderful, healing message, both for men and for society, whereas the other was negative and divisive. Gillette will never get another dime from me.

 

[tulc]

That was a wonderful, healing message, both for men and for society, whereas the other was negative and divisive. Gillette will never get another dime from me.

...uhmm...they said the exact same things and as far as I can tell were pretty much the same so can you point out what made one "negative and divisive" and the other "wonderful and healing"?
tulc(seriously can't see where they differ)

 

[Hazelelponi]

...uhmm...they said the exact same things and as far as I can tell were pretty much the same so can you point out what made one "negative and divisive" and the other "wonderful and healing"?
tulc(seriously can't see where they differ)

what's the difference, in your point of view, in talking to a child who did "x" wrong and explaining to them what they did wrong and why it's wrong, and calling a child evil because their brother did "x" wrong?

curious if you see either scenario as abuse?

 

[bekkilyn]

The problem with the second video is that it doesn't address ANY of the problems with bullying behavior, abuse, and harassment that the first video attempts to address. Pretending those things don't exist isn't a solution.

 

[A_Thinker]

and calling a child evil because their brother did "x" wrong?

I don't see where either commercial called anyone evil.

If you consider the commercials without the accompanying hype, the messages are fairly congruent, though the Gillette commercial is probably a bit more honest in it's presentation.

You have to be careful with presenting statistics, especially when there are other known related statistics which are not being presented.

Both commercials have a bias, which is only to be expected.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I don't see where either commercial called anyone evil.

If you consider the commercials without the accompanying hype, the messages are fairly congruent, though the Gillette is probably a bit more honest in it's presentation.

You have to be careful with presenting statistics, especially when there are other known related statistics which are not being presented.

Both commercials have a bias, which is only to be expected.

we've been over this. Apparently you don't care so there is no point having the same debate all over again.

Well thank God some of us are willing to stick up for the majority of men in America who happen to be good people.

 

[bekkilyn]

How do you know that the majority of men (or women) are good people? People are not good by nature and it is only through the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit that we do good and not evil all the time continuously like in the days of Noah.

 

[A_Thinker]

we've been over this. Apparently you don't care so there is no point having the same debate all over again.

Well thank God some of us are willing to stick up for the majority of men in America who happen to be good people.

That I don't agree with you in every instance does not mean that I don't care ... or that I don't support Americans who happen to be good people ...

I've shared in discussions with you on several occasions. Most of the time we are in a fair amount of agreement. There's no need to demean me just because we don't share the same position in this case.

 

[A_Thinker]

I do think that the presentation of this commercial's message is better. The Gillette commercial was a bit helter-skelter ...