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[InnocentOdion]

Okay, this is hypothetical, but let's say this very second I suddenly became a Mormon. Who knows why, I just do, and yet I still follow the Nicene Creed and still believe in the Holy Trinity.

Would that make the person here a Christian still?

EDIT: For clarification, lets say that as this new Mormon, I did not believe in becoming like God, or that God was once like us, or we get our own solar system, accepted the trinity and monotheism and I took that information as "symbolic". What about then?

 

[Robskiwarrior]

Well, personally I would say no - because the of the Mormons I have spoken to they class themselfs as Christians already... They are quite relaxed about what they believe - as you would have to be when you believe some of the things they do.

They are kinda like JW's as in they are close to the truth, but for some perverted reason they just miss it.

Anyone who takes the book of mormon to be true - with the story of its creation behind it, must be missing something.

 

[ScottBot]

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[angelmom01]

Okay, this is hypothetical, but let's say this very second I suddenly became a Mormon. Who knows why, I just do, and yet I still follow the Nicene Creed and still believe in the Holy Trinity.

Would that make the person here a Christian still?

Not sure how you could accept Mormonism and still believe in the Trinity and the Nicene Creed.

Mormons believe that the Father and the Son are two totally separate beings joined together in one purpose, with both having a physical body. They see only the Holy Ghost/Spirit as spirit (having not "yet" received a body). That goes against the doctrin of the Trinity as well as the Nicene Creed.

angelmom

 

[angelmom01]

Well, personally I would say no - because the of the Mormons I have spoken to they class themselfs as Christians already... They are quite relaxed about what they believe - as you would have to be when you believe some of the things they do.

They are kinda like JW's as in they are close to the truth, but for some perverted reason they just miss it.

Anyone who takes the book of mormon to be true - with the story of its creation behind it, must be missing something.

In all fairness, not all Mormons are even aware of Mormon history or how the Book of Mormon came to be. That may not be the case so much anymore, in this day and age, with all the technology and availability of information, etc. But for a long time many Mormons were in the dark - knowing only what they were told by the church.

And many Mormons, particularly the young or those born into the church, don’t even realize how “different” their beliefs are from mainstream Christianity. Hard to believe maybe, but true. Again, though, this may be changing with modern technology/information etc.


angelmom

 

[Thomas35]

To be a Christian you must deny yourself, take up your cross on follow Jesus. So if are following the Mormons, your not a Christian. You can believe in Holy Trinity. Remember Satan believes that.

 

[Optimax]

Okay, this is hypothetical, but let's say this very second I suddenly became a Mormon. Who knows why, I just do, and yet I still follow the Nicene Creed and still believe in the Holy Trinity.

Would that make the person here a Christian still?

What makes a person a Christian is being born again. Rom 10:9-10 tells how.

Once that is done a relationship with God is established.

Once that is done a babe in Christ can make many mistakes, but that does not end the relationship with God. It does affect the fellowship. If a Christian learned very much before going to the other church then they will see the differences.

If not and they die, then what would be affected would be their rewards. Their salvation was established when Jesus was accepted as Saviour and they were born again.

 

[Peaceful Dove]

I don't know but I am happy to leave Mormons in God's loving hands.

 

[BereanTodd]

I don't know but I am happy to leave Mormons in God's loving hands.

God's hands aren't so loving for the objects of His wrath. Outside of Christ people are bound for His wrath. Mormons are outside of Christ. You can do the math from there.

 

[Peaceful Dove]

God's hands aren't so loving for the objects of His wrath. Outside of Christ people are bound for His wrath. Mormons are outside of Christ. You can do the math from there.

Oh Boy!

I am sure glad it is God judging me and not human folks.

 

[ScottBot]

Oh Boy!

I am sure glad it is God judging me and not human folks.

 

[BereanTodd]

Oh Boy!

I am sure glad it is God judging me and not human folks.

Are you denying that the Bible teaches that God will pour out His wrath on some? Are you denying that the Bible teaches that there is no salvation outside of Christ?

 

[ScottBot]

Are you denying that the Bible teaches that God will pour out His wrath on some? Are you denying that the Bible teaches that there is no salvation outside of Christ?

What about unbaptised children? technically, according to your criteria, they are outside of Christ. What about the mentally incompetant? What about pygmy cannibals in Polynesia who have never encountered a Christian to hear the gospel?

 

[Peaceful Dove]

Are you denying that the Bible teaches that God will pour out His wrath on some? Are you denying that the Bible teaches that there is no salvation outside of Christ?

Nope.

Just confirming that I am happy that Jesus will judge me not human folks.

I have no interest whatsoever in judging. Call me silly, call me lazy or whatever.

I am happy that Jesus is my judge.

 

[BereanTodd]

What about unbaptised children? technically, according to your criteria, they are outside of Christ. What about the mentally incompetant?

Children (baptised or non-baptised - baptism does nothing for a child) are a grey area, and one I prefer to rely on God's judgment (and hopefully mercy).

What about pygmy cannibals in Polynesia who have never encountered a Christian to hear the gospel?

God says that He has given us sufficient evidence of Himself and that all are without excuse.

For the record, there are instances among missionaries who have gone into previously unreached areas and met people who have spoken of having had some revelation from a "Sun-man" or other cryptic things, who told them of Good news and the white men who would bring it. I personally believe that if the "godless heathen" respond to the revelation they have been given they will be given more, whether it is God sending a missionary, or God Himself appearing to them (He did so with Paul after all, and He can do it again).

But the fact is we are not talking about children, and we are not talking about "godless heathen" we are talking about a western cult that rejects the God of the Bible and teaches false doctrine.

So, again I ask, what does the Bible teach about salvation outside of Christ?

 

[ScottBot]

Who says Christ doesn't show mercy on them who have not been exposed to the Gospel.

And I completely disagree with your position on children and baptism. Patristics and Scripture support my position.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Nope.

Just confirming that I am happy that Jesus will judge me not human folks.

I have no interest whatsoever in judging. Call me silly, call me lazy or whatever.

I am happy that Jesus is my judge.

James 4:12 There is ONE lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another mans servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosever thou are that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest ~doest~ the same things.

So who does not escape Gods judgment?

Romans 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that ~JUDGEST~ them that doest such things and doest the same, that thou shall ~ESCAPE~ the judgment of God?

1Cr 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.



Mat 7:1 Judge NOT, that ye be not judged.


Mat 7:7 For with what judgment YE JUDGE , ye shall be judged: and with measure YE mete, it shall be measured~ TO YOU~ AGAIN.


Isaiah 28:6 And for a spirit of judgment ~to him~ that sitteth in judgment


Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi. Many feel the same way about Muhammad and his teaching, so yes, a Prophet can lead some away from the Truth of the Word.

But I am wondering what you mean by the "same race"? For example, in Ezekiel 1 it appears to show YHWH in the appearance of "adam". I thought it kind of interesting that the Hebrew word for "adam" is used instead of the one used for man/'iysh

Ezekiel 1:25 A voice came from above the firmament that [was] over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings. 26 And above the firmament over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne [was] a likeness with the appearance of a man/ADAM high above it.

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

adam occurs 30 times in 27 verses:
'adam (Strong's 0120) occurs 552 times in 527 verses:
AV - man 408, men 121, Adam 13, person(s) 8, common sort + 07230 1,

'iysh (Strong's 0376) occurs 1639 times in 1432 verses:
AV - man 1002, men 210, one 188, husband 69, any 27, misc 143; 1639

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Okay, this is hypothetical, but let's say this very second I suddenly became a Mormon. Who knows why, I just do, and yet I still follow the Nicene Creed and still believe in the Holy Trinity.

Would that make the person here a Christian still?

I would be apt to say that a Christian is one who has faith in Christ as his/her Savior. "We are saved by grace through faith." God knows who does and who does not.


IMHO, it is not necessary that a person articulate his/her understanding of the Gift of Faith God has placed in their heart exactly as I do in order for me to declare them a "Christian" or not.


IMHO, I cannot say if the person is a Christian or not. Articulating the Nicene or Athenasian Creeds does not save. Beleiving that Jesus visited the Americas does not damn.



My $0.005


Pax!


- Josiah



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[Jedi]

God's hands aren't so loving for the objects of His wrath. Outside of Christ people are bound for His wrath. Mormons are outside of Christ. You can do the math from there.

I'm not so sure about that. It all depends on how you define "Christian." If all being a Christian involves is following Christ as presented in the New Testament and accepting His Lordship and forgiveness of their sins, then Mormons fall under that category, even if they're mistaken on a number of important theological matters.

So how do you define "Christian?" You figure that out and you'll have your answer to not only this question but a myriad of others.