What if the civil war had not happened

[Percivale]

What do you think America would be like today if the Civil War had never been fought? What if the North had allowed the south to secede and done nothing about it other than maybe putting up some tariffs on imports from the south to the north? Would their have been later wars or conflict between the two countries? How long would slavery have lasted?

 

[Instrument150]

Matthew 12:36

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What do you think America would be like today if the Civil War had never been fought? What if the North had allowed the south to secede and done nothing about it other than maybe putting up some tariffs on imports from the south to the north? Would their have been later wars or conflict between the two countries? How long would slavery have lasted?

I sudder to think about it.

 

[Eryk]

Slavery would have ended. A slave rebellion as in Haiti, an international boycott like the one against South Africa during Apartheid - no way it could have lasted in the modern era.

 

[sdowney717]

Slavery would have ended by the early 1900's.
With industrialization and machine power taking over from human power meaning greater productivity, slavery would have economically been a bad idea and no longer justifiable for the south's economy.
And I don't think the south would have objected then.

 

[Percivale]

I think slavery would have transitioned through something like serfdom, gradually increasing their rights. Probably some conflicts would have come up over westward expansion, and the Spanish American war would have been different.

 

[pat34lee]

Slavery would have ended by the early 1900's.
With industrialization and machine power taking over from human power meaning greater productivity, slavery would have economically been a bad idea and no longer justifiable for the south's economy.
And I don't think the south would have objected then.

As with desegregation, the actions aren't what caused problems.
It was the government force that people resisted. The more that
force is used, the greater the resentment it causes.

 

[Tallguy88]

Hitler would have won WW2.

 

[Desk trauma]

Hitler would have won WW2.

That's unknowable. Removing something as major as the US civil war would have altered everything there after in the timeline. Hitler may not have been born, the first world war may have gone differently or happened in a totally different way etc.

 

[ananda]

What do you think America would be like today if the Civil War had never been fought? What if the North had allowed the south to secede and done nothing about it other than maybe putting up some tariffs on imports from the south to the north? Would their have been later wars or conflict between the two countries? How long would slavery have lasted?

The Republic would not have been overthrown; slavery would have shortly gone away without warfare (as many, many other nations accomplished in that same era); and Lincoln the traitorous dictator would have been impeached and condemned.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Virginia would be a lot bigger.


Mississippi and Alabama would still be competing for last place.

 

[1watchman]

Well, for sure things would now be different; and thank God He overruled men and kept the country as "one nation under God". Now we need to learn to live together, and the best way to do that is put God first in all the truth of His Word. It is remarkable that during the Civil War both sides prayed while shooting each the other; which shows how believing in a god is not the same as bowing to our Creator-God and His "...so great salvation" in His beloved Son --the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God.

 

[jayem]

What if the North had allowed the south to secede and done nothing about it other than maybe putting up some tariffs on imports from the south to the north?

The federal government could not have tolerated the southern states leaving the union. For several reasons:

1) There was federal property in the south, mainly of a military nature. Like forts and arsenals. It's not clear if the southern states would have been able to buy all these installations, and the US government would never have willingly sold all these bases and military materiel. As you know, this conflict was the spark for the first hostilities at Fort Sumter. This was a US Army base on land that was claimed by South Carolina, which was now a different country. South Carolina demanded the fort be turned over. When the base commander refused to evacuate, the fort was bombarded.

2) There would still have been issues of westward expansion--and more than just conflict over slavery. There would have been 2 countries, with quite different political ideologies, competing to annex new territory in the west. Almost certainly, this would have eventually led to a shooting war.

3) There was no federal income tax in the early 19th century. Most of the federal government's revenue came from tariffs. The southern states didn't import as much as the north, but the federal government would no doubt have lost revenue. And could not have tolerated it.

It's totally unrealistic to imagine that the federal government would have let 11 southern states just walk away.

 

[Dawnhammer]

Trump would have made POTUS 30 years earlier.

 

[Goonie]

Hitler would have won WW2.

Hitler was made by the First World War. Something as drastic as the South successfully seceding for example would have had profound outcomes on the circumstances of the First World War. For example a German victory in World War One would have seen Adolf vanish into obscurity supplying tourists with tacky paintings.

 

[jayem]

Hitler would have won WW2.

Hardly likely. Remember the Casablanca Agreement of 1943? Roosevelt and Churchill (with Stalin's later accord) agreed that the only terms under which the Allies would end the war would be with the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers. I have no doubt that if the Nazi's were still in a strong position in 1945, Pres. Truman would have nuked them into submission. Germany was nowhere close to having an atomic program. Largely because Hitler thought nuclear physics was "Jewish" science, and thus had to be a scam. Whereas we had plans and were collecting components for 12 nuclear weapons. I'm sure they would have been used on Germany. (With hopes that this would demonstrate the futility of further hostilities to the Japanese.)

What would be different if the CSA had prevailed, is that the Manhattan Project might have been based in sparsely populated areas of Wyoming, Montana, or the Dakotas. And the U-235 for the fission bomb would have been generated somewhere other than Oak Ridge, Tenn.

 

[Dawnhammer]

What would be different if the CSA had prevailed, is that the Manhattan Project might have been based in sparsely populated areas of Wyoming, Montana, or the Dakotas. And the U-235 for the fission bomb would have been generated somewhere other than Oak Ridge, Tenn.

Perhaps slave labour using CSA would have been much more comfortable with some fascist ideas and allied with Hitler. Who knows.

Too many changing variables for any meaningful predictions.

If anyone is interested some professional fiction about this

https://www.amazon.com/Guns-South-H...=1506486052&sr=8-1&keywords=Guns+of+the+south

Is a single novel during the civil war era and

https://www.amazon.com/American-Fro...eST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=detail

Starts a novel series followed by second novel series which basically handle the time periods of WWI and WWII with CSA still alive and kicking.

Pretty entertaining stuff.

 

[Tallguy88]

Perhaps slave labour using CSA would have been much more comfortable with some fascist ideas and allied with Hitler. Who knows.

Too many changing variables for any meaningful predictions.

If anyone is interested some professional fiction about this

https://www.amazon.com/Guns-South-H...=1506486052&sr=8-1&keywords=Guns+of+the+south

Is a single novel during the civil war era and

https://www.amazon.com/American-Fro...eST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=detail

Starts a novel series followed by second novel series which basically handle the time periods of WWI and WWII with CSA still alive and kicking.

Pretty entertaining stuff.

Confederacy is nearly the opposite of Facism on the political spectrum. Loosely allied states vs an all-powerful central government.

 

[Douger]

As it was, slavery in the US was an improbable relict surrounded by more enlightened nations of Mexico, Canada, Europe, and even most US states.
If there had not been a Civil War, I think slavery would have been defeated through embargoes and ostracism of both surrounding and overseas natons. But it's impossible to say for sure how long it would have taken, considering the improbable yet factual existence of chattel slavery in the 1850s and 60s.

 

[Zed Aliz Zed]

well, you would have the union or northern states. and the Confederacy. ironically slavery still would be outlawed in both as the British empire forcibly stopped slavery by military force. as for what the country would look like I don't think the us would have ever become a true superpower. we also may of had a tougher time in the second world war