What happens to Muslim children when they die?

[GA777]

Nope, I described you from the way you talked to others mostly on this thread, especially that you came here pretending to be discovering Christianity more, then after some time started asking questions to prove Christianity-bible wrong with arrogance and hatred to people and to god. And I already gave you a reason, but you chose to falsify it of course, because you cant even try to imagine if God is good, no matter what answer you may get or how the bible was written.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Nope, I described you from the way you talked to others mostly on this thread, especially that you came here pretending to be discovering Christianity more, then after some time started asking questions to prove Christianity-bible wrong with arrogance and hatred to people and to god. And I already gave you a reason, but you chose to falsify it of course, because you cant even try to imagine if God is good, no matter what answer you may get or how the bible was written.

Firstly, I'm not pretending. And secondly, I do struggle to see God as good, especially when the Old Testament is littered with atrocities. If my questions offend you, stop reading them and stop replying to them.

 

[razeontherock]

So again, where did this doctrine come from? The Catholics? And if this doctrine isn't true, that children don't, in fact, go to heaven when they die, doesn't that mean Christians have to deal with the horrible notion that God throws children into hell? How exactly do you go about defending God then, and making him appeal to non-Christians?

The extent of logical fallacy committed here is mind-boggling.

 

[Catherineanne]

This is a really disturbing mentality to have. It's very hard to debate with this kind of warped logic. And this is why religion in general is unsettling. It teaches people that death and suffering are good if they serve a holy cause. You're basically okay with the death of an innocent child on this earth because that child goes to an imaginary place when it dies. Seriously, take a step back and examine your own moral compass. You might end up as disturbed with yourself as I am.

Imagine you are confronted with a mother whose child has just died. She says to you, I believe my child is with God; that is the only way I can cope with losing him when my whole life has fallen apart.

Would you really tell her she is imagining things?

As I think I said above, the vast majority of humankind believe that this life is not all that there is. Heaven in some form or other, and an afterlife in some form or other, is practically a cultural universal.

It is you who are out of step, therefore. It is not we who are imagining things, it is you. There is eternity, and there is a God. There is no explanation for love in humanity without God.

Good luck with that.

 

[Catherineanne]

Firstly, I'm not pretending. And secondly, I do struggle to see God as good, especially when the Old Testament is littered with atrocities. If my questions offend you, stop reading them and stop replying to them.

The Bible contains the gradual revelation of God to mankind, over many thousands of years. If the Old Testament had got it right, then Christ would not have had to come to put the record straight.

If you want to see what God is like, you need to look at the person and character of Christ, not God as presented in the Old Testament. Sometimes the OT gets it right, sometimes it doesn't. God never approves of atrocities any more than you do.

It is not possible for any of us to have a greater moral awareness than God; that which is truly universally immoral to us - genocide, murder, incest etc - must be immoral to him.

 

[Metaphysicalwonderer]

Why should we think the NT is any more reliable then the OT? Also, if it is true that the OT gets somethings right and somethings wrong, can't the same be said for the NT? And how are we to interpret what things it gets right and what things it gets wrong? Can you show a system for doing this, or can we read into it whatever we like, or whatever best matches with our current beliefs?

I want comment on your theories of God as the source of Morality in this thread, but I would appreciate it if you could go to my thread and explain what you mean, how you defend this claim, and, if you can, answer the questions I have posed there.

 

[FreeinChrist]

MOD HAT - as a reminder, per the guidelines for this particular forum, the only nonChristian allowed to post is the OP.

 

[Catherineanne]

Why should we think the NT is any more reliable then the OT? Also, if it is true that the OT gets somethings right and somethings wrong, can't the same be said for the NT? And how are we to interpret what things it gets right and what things it gets wrong? Can you show a system for doing this, or can we read into it whatever we like, or whatever best matches with our current beliefs?

Nice try, but I did not say the NT is more reliable than the OT.

I said that the Bible is the story of God's gradual revelation of himself to mankind. The people in the OT sometimes did not understand what God was saying of himself; the OT itself attests to this; read what Isaiah has to say, read what Jeremiah has to say; they are very clear that God has spoken and his people have not understood what he actually wanted.

I want comment on your theories of God as the source of Morality in this thread, but I would appreciate it if you could go to my thread and explain what you mean, how you defend this claim, and, if you can, answer the questions I have posed there.

I actually did not say that God is the source of morality. I said that where we have cultural universals of morality, they can never outdo God in morality. Different thing.

St Anselm said, God is that, greater than which we cannot conceive. Therefore, if any of us can conceive of a God with greater morality, greater justice, greater truth, greater mercy and compassion than the one that is postulated, no matter who by, the greater God must be the real one, and the lesser God must be insufficient. Not a false God, but an inadequate representation of him.

 

[steve_bakr]

I believe all children are spared of doctrinal error.

The only hint regarding children in the NT is Jesus accepting them and warning any one to forbid them from coming to Him.

As for adults regarding doctrinal error, more involved.

Obviously not every one can be right, there are about 10,000 Protestant denominations world wide, this is what happens when there is no order or authority in place, then there are about a dozen Catholic variations. Even with order and authority in place, some will go their own way.

Then there are the thousands of non-Christian religions world wide as well.

We are mostly victim to our surroundings and how we are raised and what we are exposed to. If we were born in Iran, we would probably be Muslim. Even if we heard the Christian message, we probably would dismiss it as a in perfect version of Islam. Perhaps in our hearts we believed we were more faithful and truthful to God.

I don't believe when we die, God is going to say, sorry, you were in the wrong religion, bye!

I believe it is what is in our hearts that God will look at first. Religion is merely the clothing we wear now. In spirit, we will be seen as we really are.

That said there is still the issue of what if some one knew better but still went another way. I believe that will be judged as well. Along with faith, acts, and number one, what's in a person's heart.

So you see, I believe all roads lead to Rome eventually

Indeed.

"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

The extent of logical fallacy committed here is mind-boggling.

Thank you for adding to this topic with such a well argued and wordy reply.

 

[GA777]

Firstly, I'm not pretending. And secondly, I do struggle to see God as good, especially when the Old Testament is littered with atrocities. If my questions offend you, stop reading them and stop replying to them.

Who are you trying to kid here?
And how much do you think you may know about God?